--- Day changed Fri May 17 2019 01:06 < waxwing> a "bikeshed" is a kind of container. 01:08 < gmaxwell> lol 01:10 < gmaxwell> A sandwich is also a kind of container. 01:32 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #joinmarket 02:19 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:00 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 03:34 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 05:33 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #joinmarket 06:05 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:58 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 06:58 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@162.219.178.98] has joined #joinmarket 06:59 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@162.219.178.98] has quit [Changing host] 06:59 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #joinmarket 06:59 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@129.232.161.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:40 -!- noneya [cef83b02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.248.59.2] has joined #joinmarket 07:46 < noneya> Hello all. I did 2 single join 2 days ago and one has been conrimed and the other hasn't. I'm not sure what to do to push this through. 07:53 < belcher> noneya demand for block space has quite high these past few days 07:54 < belcher> i think the best option really is to wait, demand has dropped off and the backlog is likely to clear tonight or over the weekend 07:55 < belcher> another option could be to do cpfp if you're receiving money 07:57 < noneya> Is there a way to see this backlog? 07:58 < belcher> some wallets like electrum can indicate the state of the mempool, theres also a bunch of websites showing it https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Miner_fees#Fee_Plotting_Sites 07:59 < belcher> i usually use https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#1w 08:08 < noneya> Thanks for the help belcher! 08:33 < noneya> wow electrum is much better than bitcoin core. Thanks for the tip. 08:35 < belcher> noneya it has the privacy downside of course, electrum servers see all your addresses 08:35 < belcher> however that can be fixed by running your own server 08:35 < belcher> iv created a lightweight electrum server for solving exactly this problem https://github.com/chris-belcher/electrum-personal-server 09:12 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:57 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:25 -!- noneya [cef83b02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.248.59.2] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:49 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #joinmarket 13:08 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 14:31 -!- viasil [~viasil@185.107.94.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:37 -!- viasil [~viasil@185.107.94.166] has joined #joinmarket 14:42 -!- viasil_ [~viasil@185.107.94.166] has joined #joinmarket 14:42 -!- viasil [~viasil@185.107.94.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:10 -!- deafboy [quasselcor@cicolina.org] has joined #joinmarket 16:02 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:19 < belcher> so iv been working on my idea to use time-locked bitcoins as sybil protection for joinmarket, i came up with an equation for the value of such a UTXO given lock time and other parameters... but i now realize if you provably burn coins (i.e. time-lock them forever) then my equation becomes infinite, doh.. so back to the chalkboard 16:20 < gmaxwell> not unusual for perfectly reasonable things to behave weird at singularities like that, that doesn't make them invalid elsewhere 16:21 < gmaxwell> in any case, you can usually fix stuff like that by inserting a discount rate that is low enough that it makes no difference on sensible timescales, but suppresses the infinity. 16:23 < belcher> thing is that burning coins is maybe a reasonable thing to do, joinmarket makers may one day burn coins forever to create a cost for sybil attackers 16:23 < belcher> but ill probably do something like that, probably call it a "psychological discount rate" due to the fact that 1000 years from now your money has no value to you even if interest rates say its worth loads 17:29 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4ADF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:41 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5486676B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 19:09 -!- azizLIGHT [~azizLIGHT@unaffiliated/azizlight] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:14 -!- azizLIGHT [~azizLIGHT@unaffiliated/azizlight] has joined #joinmarket 19:30 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 20:13 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:36 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:39 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #joinmarket 21:33 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 22:31 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:32 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 23:02 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:03 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 23:15 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:18 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 23:24 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:30 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 23:35 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:39 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket 23:49 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:50 -!- MaxSan [~four@91.214.169.69] has joined #joinmarket