--- Day changed Tue Jun 25 2019
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00:36 < belcher> morning
00:36 < belcher> seems like the chainalysis OP is actually not proven https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/c4so58/i_am_a_current_or_former_employee_of_chainalysis/erzrp2r/?context=3
00:40 < nothingmuch> interesting... the answers all seemed plausible, even convincing, but in hindsight i'm not sure how much really adds on top of publicly available information in any sort of verifiable way
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03:53 < waxwing> belcher, you were talking about volume yesterday, what i can see from here is it's pretty healthy last month or so, like 15-25 joins/day for my bot, and given the randomisation it's not like i can just squat the low fee. i'd guess we're looking at 50-100/day across a wide range of sizes. obv more analysis could be done for anyone who cared.
03:53 < waxwing> also i'm not sure if i'm imagining it (again, zero analysis) but i feel like the users are getting smarter about choosing low fee periods.
03:56 < waxwing> actually reading the logs it's not really say 20/day *consistently* for me. it peaks around 25 in the last couple of months but there are slow periods. also, i think there is a substantial sensitivity to coinjoin fees even with randomisation.
03:57 < waxwing> (just as a simple data point, you see like 16 hp2s in the last 3.5 hrs on cgan, which is an upper limit ofc, but still. failures are not as common as they were.
04:23 < felix34> nothingmuch: well he did claim they were running electrum servers to track people
04:24 < waxwing> that was very well known .. i mean around here anyway. i know e.g. gmaxwell has been stating it as fact for a while.
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04:27 < felix34> waxwing: has he said this publicly anywhere or given any evidence?
04:41 < waxwing> i don't know, but i do know he spent a lot of time looking at spying on the bitcoin network itself (see all the banlist stuff), the stuff about electrum servers i just remember him saying more than once here on IRC. even if he has evidence directly, not to say he'd be willing to share it, right.
05:14 < felix34> waxwing: sure, makes sense
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09:05 < waxwing> what's the word on the street on this: https://www.zdnet.com/article/bitfinex-hackers-arrested-after-three-years/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
09:07 < waxwing> that catalin whatever guy is a very good journalist, so i doubt this is rubbish, also it's sourced from israeli media. however it seems very light on details.
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09:21 < nothingmuch> waxwing: the posta article mostly just glorifies the IDF, and some lawyer quotes, no technical details on how they were identified or caught
09:21 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/AlexCato] i remember reading this on twitter, consensus there was this is a false message in the israeli media
09:21 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/AlexCato] (as in: not cought). The RRT token value is also a good proxy
09:22 < nothingmuch> i've never heard of posta, ynet is pretty mainstream but all mainstream israeli publications are inaccurate garbage IMO, at least when i can judge accuracy
09:23 < waxwing> thanks alexcato nothingmuch 
09:24 < waxwing> yes that makes sense. so is it the case then that they were caught for various phishing/crypto stealing crimes but not the bitfinex hack?
09:24 < waxwing> the RRT token that's a good point.
09:24 < waxwing> is that price listed on bitfinex so you can look it up?
09:34 < nothingmuch> afaict no police sources have confirmed anything about the bitfinex allegations, i think this is entirely media speculation
09:37 < nothingmuch> i think the only clear thing is that the older brother admitted to some theft on the order of 1e4 NIS (~1e1 btc), and the method was posting phishing links on telegram groups (lol)
09:38 < waxwing> but he was a l33t IDF hacker or something? ;)
09:39  * nothingmuch rolls eyes
09:39 < waxwing> i followed some link or other on this bitfinex story and got to a laughable steemit post where they made the interesting claim that "interpol has locked down all the bitfinex hack coins so they can't move" /chuckle
09:39 < nothingmuch> my sister was in 8200, they had her write SQL WHERE clauses by hand =P
09:40 < waxwing> artisanal
09:40 < nothingmuch> granted israel has real capabilities, but the entire country has its head so far up its own ass that everything seems elite
09:41 < nothingmuch> and based on the article it's not even clear that he had direct links to the cyberbuzzword units, but was in talpiot, which is a military academic program
09:42 < nothingmuch> (i think it's mostly physics, engineering etc, not sure if they have a software thing)
09:43 < nothingmuch> heh, after like 10 minutes of trying to twiddle my umatrix settings to get the ynet article to even, i think the link is just broken? just tried in incognito and i still see no content
09:44 < nothingmuch> s/(?<=even)/ load/
09:46 < nothingmuch> yeah i think they deleted the article, way back machine is down and no copy on archive.is though
09:46 < waxwing> clearly a conspiracy
09:48 < nothingmuch> yep, a conspiracy to pay hack journalists too little and demand regurgitation of unverified claims to rake in those adbux
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10:31 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/CgRelayBot] [cgan/AlexCato] waxwing: RRT token is directly on the first USD list on bitfinex.com . Currently at 0.07, so very low chance for any fund recovery (7%)
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