--- Day changed Wed Aug 07 2019 01:13 -!- mauro|call [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:14 -!- mauro|call [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 01:36 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 01:58 -!- mauro|call [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00 -!- mauro|call [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 02:14 -!- mauro|call is now known as takamatsu 03:31 < waxwing> so i checked what i have for rpcbind on my bitcoind , i have the LAN address 192.(etc) and 127.0.0.1 (ie one rpcbind line for each). 03:31 < waxwing> does that sound remotely right? (if you want other machines on the LAN to be able to access bitcoind) 03:31 < waxwing> i found that quite confusing. i know there are people here that are a lot more expert in this area than myself. 03:33 < qubenix> waxwing: i think you also need rpcbindip for it to work. 03:33 < waxwing> qubenix, do you mean rpcallowip? 03:33 < waxwing> afaik you need both 03:34 < qubenix> yep, that's the one 03:34 < waxwing> so for whatever reason i have those *two* lines, i guess just the 127.0.0.1 is needed (for the rpcbind, specifically) 03:34 < waxwing> ? 03:35 < waxwing> i mean i could just try it but dammit i hate answering questions like that :) should actually understand. 03:35 < qubenix> you want to connect from 127.0.0.1 and 192.* ? 03:36 < belcher> i think rpcbind only has two options, 0.0.0.0 to accept from anything and 127.0.0.1 to only accept from localhost 03:37 < waxwing> ah. that would make sense. 03:37 < belcher> and then you use rpcallowip to choose just a few IPs to accept from 03:37 < waxwing> yeah that adds up with what i see. so my other rpcbind= line just came from me experimenting and is irrelevant, i guess. 03:42 < waxwing> See this from 0.18 rel notes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/24dfcf3a56f90b101bc208f48ccdb7813fa08b83/doc/release-notes/release-notes-0.18.0.md#configuration-option-changes 03:42 < waxwing> (third bullet point). 03:43 < waxwing> i have a feeling the help message wasn't updated to reflect that 03:46 < waxwing> huh, apparently according to the guy who's trying to set this up, it does work with the 192.* address. My guess is either work, but I'm not sure. 04:21 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:26 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 04:27 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:29 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 04:36 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:39 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 07:16 -!- MaxSan [~four@45.162.228.171] has joined #joinmarket 10:17 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:17 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 10:22 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 10:25 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:27 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 10:31 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:31 -!- Emzy is now known as emzy 10:36 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 10:37 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:38 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 11:18 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 11:21 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #joinmarket 12:24 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:25 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 12:27 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:29 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 12:31 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:32 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 12:36 -!- dopplergange [~dop@172.98.78.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:08 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:09 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 13:10 -!- reallll is now known as belcher 13:34 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:02 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 14:17 < waxwing> This could be interesting, although I haven't read it in detail yet. 14:17 < waxwing> https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet 14:18 < waxwing> i'm thinking about message channel implementations (any other oldbies who remember when we were going to create new ones? lol) 14:20 -!- dopplergange [~dop@38.131.126.55] has joined #joinmarket 14:34 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.4] 14:39 < belcher> since we're talking about this, iv just written down an idea iv had ages ago (probably not even my idea, dont remember) 14:39 < belcher> each maker runs a tor HS, and maybe 5-10 volunteers run HS http servers (which we can call seeder servers) which makers can connect to and register their own .onion address on, and those same http servers will hand out the list of .onions to any taker who asks. 14:39 < belcher> This idea requires fidelity bonds for makers, because otherwise the volunteer seeder servers can be easily flooded with spam onions. 14:39 < belcher> The seeder servers shouldnt require much bandwidth, the system can tolerate temporary downtimes so they don't need to be too reliable either. So it's easy to imagine that volunteers would run them, perhaps from an always-on raspberry pi in their own home. 14:43 < belcher> ^^ this is an alternative to using IRC as the message channel in joinmarket 14:46 < waxwing> Yes it's a natural analog to what we currently have with the IRC servers redundancy addressing the possibility of their censoring certain makers. same thing here. 14:47 < waxwing> do you remember us discussing this back in '16? i wrote a PoC (well i barely got to the stage of bots talking to each other, but still) of using Tor HS for every participant, but your point was that there was no incentive to propagate messages. So yes I think this is a distinct idea and so far, I like it. 14:48 < waxwing> although i am still a bit ambivalent about fidelity bonds in practice, but i suppose i agree that it'd be needed here. 14:50 < belcher> the idea i describe avoids the problem of makers not relaying offers because takers connect directly to makers 14:50 < belcher> so in that way its not really p2p/mesh network like bitcoin or bittorrent 14:51 < belcher> so makers wouldnt connect to each other, they'd just run servers that wait for takers to connect to them 14:51 < belcher> (actually, makers would connect to each other in a p2p network, but that would only be used to share podle commitments) 14:52 < waxwing> "the idea i describe avoids the problem of makers not relaying offers because takers connect directly to makers" <-- yes I understood, that's why I wrote "So yes this is a distinct idea.." 14:53 < belcher> ah sorry 14:53 < waxwing> good point about podle. well, that's fine. although it's almost an annoyance as otherwise you could do everything as point to point, no broadcast. 14:53 < waxwing> i mean maybe it's trivial, there are certainly bigger fish to fry/worry about. 14:54 < belcher> i was considering having the seeder servers store the podle commitments, but it would be nice to keep their resource requirements as low as possible 14:54 < waxwing> yeah. consider it an implementation detail for now. 14:58 < CgRelayBot> [cgan/waxwing] ping 14:58 < waxwing> belcher, huh cool, did it not need reconfiguring after the server restart? 14:58 < waxwing> oh and also, do you have ops there because i lost my registration again, i presume we all did 14:59 < belcher> looks like i have lost my registration 15:29 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has quit [Quit: "Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism." -- Ayn Rand] 17:34 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4AB52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:35 -!- CgRelayBot [~CgRelayBo@p5DE4AB52.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:45 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4AC18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 17:46 -!- CgRelayBot [~CgRelayBo@p5DE4AC18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 19:32 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:33 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 20:22 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:23 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 20:26 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:26 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 20:29 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:31 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 20:34 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:37 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 20:44 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:45 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 20:46 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:48 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket