--- Day changed Fri Aug 23 2019 00:07 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:8de1:da9d:15e7:2581] has joined #joinmarket 00:08 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 02:38 < arubi> waxwing, awesome bip :) I'm still not done reading it all but commented on a couple things in the gist. 02:50 < waxwing> arubi, both very interesting points, will respond later 06:51 < waxwing> arubi, i think the first point is very good, and i'll def update based on that; the wallet should probably just store history of txs then either (a) use a lookup on the blockchain to reconstruct via full transaction, using the signature and reconstructing the sighash with the privkey or maybe (b) actually just always store the historical transactions(?) and reconstruct locally. 06:52 < waxwing> both of those are more involved than just storing the k value but obviously that's not really safe and/or annoying to keep safe. 06:53 < waxwing> another thought i had though was that it might be easier to go from transaction+privkey -> k than via the mechanism you propose, simply because most wallets will already have that in their code. 06:53 < waxwing> whereas reconstructing k via (R,s,d,H(m)) will require new crypto code 06:54 < waxwing> re: your second point, i think it's less clear to me what you mean. Clearly the proposed upgrade of using something like H(shared ECDH secret) as the 'c' value can save space in the transaction proposal. 06:55 < waxwing> but i don't see how you can avoid transferring an ephemeral pubkey for the ECDH. the proposer is completely unknown to the receiver and we want to keep it that way, so i don't think there's a way for the receiver to infer a pubkey. they need it right at the start, to decrypt, after all. 07:00 < waxwing> ok may as well copy the discussion there, for some reason it *does* ping now ... 07:20 < waxwing> huh is there an easy way to find github issue threads you were discussing in? it doesn't show up on 'Activity'. and i deleted the notification emails. 07:27 < waxwing> ah i see the 'Notifications' section in one's github profile is pretty comprehensive 07:34 -!- Guest12582 [~eulersphi@91.98.2.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:44 -!- avril [wha@unaffiliated/avril] has quit [Quit: later skater] 07:44 -!- avril [wha@cute.b.oy.hu] has joined #joinmarket 07:44 -!- avril [wha@cute.b.oy.hu] has quit [Changing host] 07:44 -!- avril [wha@unaffiliated/avril] has joined #joinmarket 07:47 -!- schmidty_ [sid297174@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vohqmufybdifcwge] has quit [] 07:47 -!- schmidty_ [sid297174@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xuurqbzdynbubgql] has joined #joinmarket 07:56 -!- schmidty_ [sid297174@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xuurqbzdynbubgql] has quit [Changing host] 07:56 -!- schmidty_ [sid297174@unaffiliated/schmidty] has joined #joinmarket 07:56 -!- schmidty_ [sid297174@unaffiliated/schmidty] has quit [Changing host] 07:56 -!- schmidty_ [sid297174@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xuurqbzdynbubgql] has joined #joinmarket 07:56 -!- schmidty_ is now known as schmidty 08:23 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:8de1:da9d:15e7:2581] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:8de1:da9d:15e7:2581] has joined #joinmarket 08:31 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:8de1:da9d:15e7:2581] has quit [Client Quit] 09:25 < arubi> alright moving discussion to the gist. I subscribed as well so hopefully I'll be getting an email for replies \ updates. 10:19 < waxwing> d3spwn, thanks for reminder, i want to get on that (update docs). been busy but i can at least start looking now. 12:44 -!- davex__ [~user@45.74.60.155] has joined #joinmarket 14:47 -!- davex__ [~user@45.74.60.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:55 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:58 -!- davex__ [~user@45.74.60.139] has joined #joinmarket 17:17 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A2EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:18 -!- CgRelayBot [~CgRelayBo@p5DE4A2EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:28 -!- CgRelayBot [~CgRelayBo@p54866EFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 17:32 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p54866EFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 17:42 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:8de1:da9d:15e7:2581] has joined #joinmarket 18:30 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:8de1:da9d:15e7:2581] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:33 -!- Giszmo [~leo@143.120.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined #joinmarket 18:47 -!- davex__ [~user@45.74.60.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47 -!- davex__ [~user@45.74.60.139] has joined #joinmarket 20:26 -!- kcin [46200042@70.32.0.66] has joined #joinmarket 20:28 < kcin> quick question. i'm just simply curious.. what kind of returns are market makers getting? and how much BTC is typical to be one? (just learning about coinjoining, and I find this interesting) 20:31 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:39 -!- adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #joinmarket 23:53 < kcin> . 23:56 -!- kcin [46200042@70.32.0.66] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]