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03:08 < waxwing> fishguts, if the total you're tumbling is 1.3M sats, then individual txs, which are chosen in random size, may be very small and cause a number of issues.
03:09 < waxwing> By restarting you created a new randomized set of amounts, which may have avoided such an issue.See logs/TUMBLE.schedule for the amount fractions of each transaction.
03:09 < waxwing> see docs/tumblerguide.md for some more info about how it works.
03:09 < waxwing> and also note you can insist on the smallest size of any 1 transaction with the -s flag; see --help for info.
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06:14 < fishguts> Yes. Towards the end of my run now I'm receiving the same error.
06:15 < fishguts> So my 1.3M satoshis are divided into ten separate transactions of random size? And at least one of those transactions is too small.
06:16 < fishguts> Too small for what? And what is a good default to us for the MINCJAMOUNT?
06:20 < fishguts> And how can I fix my tumble being stuck on "Not enough funds"? Can -s be used with --restart?
06:26 < fishguts> It has sent all coins to the destination save for 100000 satoshi. The "amount fraction" it's stuck on in schedule is 0.57
06:50 < waxwing> re: too small for what - the issue here is that there's an essential guessing mechanism that has to take place in joinmarket coinjoins because you don't know exactly how many bytes the transaction will be at the time you propose it.
06:50 < waxwing> so the code makes a rough estimate of what the likely size will be, and hence what the likely bitcoin network transaction fee is, when it chooses utxos (fixed amounts) to spend from.
06:51 < waxwing> and all of this works fine when the amount of the transaction is an order of magnitude or two larger than the possible network fee.
06:51 < waxwing> but if you send like 100k sats and the network fee is going to end up around 10k or 30k then there's an issue. of course, this situation is largely not acceptable anyway to most users.
06:52 < waxwing> remember that if you have 7 counterparties you are going to pay *roughly* 7 times the normal bitcoin network transaction fee, and that's before coinjoin fees.
06:52 < waxwing> so unless network fees are extremely low, you can't use joinmarket in a sensible way with 1 million sats and less (my opinion).
06:52 < waxwing> you can test it of course, but that's different.
06:52 < waxwing> fishguts, ^
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13:34 < waxwing> did we ever discuss opt-in RBF? i've never looked into it much, but am i right in saying we can't really use it in normal joinmarket, because counterparties would all have to sign a replacement?
13:50 < kristapsk> waxwing, I do believe that's correct + even if coordination would be possible (I don't think it is, as makers can go offline any time), it would additionally deanonymize taker
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16:04 < waxwing> been very busy today and travelling next two, if anyone can help this guy that'd be great: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/385
16:11 < waxwing> kristapsk, wow i guess that's a strong indication that people don't even look at the first line of READMEs :)
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