--- Day changed Tue Sep 10 2019 01:29 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:5d26:c4d8:c4c1:6494] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:a868:5a35:748a:4bfa] has joined #joinmarket 02:05 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.35] has joined #joinmarket 03:37 < waxwing> belcher, oh sorry. umm yeah i guess it's a fair question, but maybe better to claim it at least so no one else can, also the version alert i'd have to check but i think it's still there so we could use it. (i mean, it should be, that was a good feature). 03:37 < waxwing> so if hypothetically the electrum joinmarket plugin was reinstated, would that be a good thing or bad? i feel like it's highly debatable considering the farming out of address lookups to, essentially, chainalysis. 03:38 < waxwing> it would be possible with EPS and similar of course, but then, that approach principally exists for Electrum's advanced features like multisig and cold storage/hardware stuff. you wouldn't be doing that with JM so i don't see the point. you already have Core with JM. 03:39 < waxwing> i've been convinced on this point over the years. earlier i felt like, why not. but, since privacy losses spread to other participants, there's a pretty good reason why not. 03:48 < waxwing> kristapsk, oh just saw your Q, no i'm not coming unfortunately. 03:49 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 03:52 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:00 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.35] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:13 < fiatjaf> how to fix a '[WARNING] Your nickname is in use.' ? 05:14 < fiatjaf> also I get a bunch of 'too high txfee to be profitable, halfing it to: ' up to = 1 when starting yg-privacyenhanced.py 05:15 < fiatjaf> last, the yield generator guide says we should leave the thing always on. how bad is it to leave it on only during the night when I'm sleeping? 05:16 < takinbo> fiatjaf: the first warning happens when you are disconnected locally but for some reason your nick is still active on the server. it would resolve itself eventually but you could also restart your yield generators. 05:18 < takinbo> as concerning the second, if you set a txfee such that your yield will effectively become negative for some amounts, the yield generator will attempt to fix that by reducing the tx fee until it makes sense. it's common and you don't necessarily have to change anything. 05:20 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.35] has joined #joinmarket 05:21 < takinbo> it's safe to leave the yield generator running continuously, even unsupervised. your yg will ensure to only accept and sign transactions that are valid: i.e. contains the inputs and outputs that your yg proposed. one way to see what is really happening with the coinjoins is to setting the logging level to DEBUG. this way you see what the yg is doing each step of the way. 05:22 < fiatjaf> where do I set the log level? 05:22 < fiatjaf> oh, I was asking more like if I was going to be punished and ostracized by other peers if I _don't_ run the thing 24/7, but only during the nights 05:22 < takinbo> it would be in your `joinmarket.cfg` file. 05:22 < fiatjaf> because the guide says I should leave it always on 05:23 < fiatjaf> thank you 05:23 < takinbo> no you're free to run or not run your yg 05:23 < takinbo> there are no penalties. 05:24 < fiatjaf> the nickname warning keeps happening again and again, I've restarted and it stopped 05:24 < fiatjaf> ok 05:24 < takinbo> leaving it running will only make it available to participate in cjs when a taker is doing so 05:25 < takinbo> as regards the nickname warning, it may likely have something to do with your connection to the irc server 05:25 < takinbo> are you using tor? 05:25 < fiatjaf> now, the guide also says that if I put only 0.1 BTC that is too low and I'll end up losing many yield opportunities. is that correct? the common coinjoin happening is normally much much greater than that? 05:26 < fiatjaf> (by the way, I've put 0.1 BTC and kept it running for 2 nights and didn't participate in anything yet, so maybe yes) 05:26 < takinbo> participating in cjs is based on a lot of criteria: your fees, random selection by takers and liquidity. 05:26 < takinbo> the higher the liquidity, the more likely you are to participate in cjs. 05:27 < fiatjaf> do you know how many people are running makers and how many coinjoins are happening every day? 05:27 < fiatjaf> (sorry for all these questions, I promise this is the last) 05:27 < takinbo> it's a suggestion but that doesn't mean you wouldn't get takers mixing much less. 05:28 < takinbo> no actual way to know how many cjs are happening each day 05:28 < takinbo> but there is an order book watcher that will query and display the available makers on the network 05:29 < takinbo> check within `scripts/obwatch` 05:29 < fiatjaf> oh 05:29 < fiatjaf> nice, thank you 06:00 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.35] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:20 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.35] has joined #joinmarket 07:02 < waxwing> fiatjaf, the nick warning (which happens on hard disconnects by the server) persists for like 10-20 minutes (i forget exactly) but eventually stops. it's there so that if you're around you at least know that the disconnection has happened, and can restart if you prefer. but there is no problem. it should also be noted that if you are connected to two IRC servers (which you are by default) and one goes down, the other is still running and the majo 07:02 < waxwing> of bots are operating on both. 07:02 < waxwing> we use two or more servers for redundancy. 07:03 < waxwing> it's been decidedly quiet last two or three weeks i'd say. but here's the thing: anyone can at any time easily test if it's working by .. initiating a coinjoin. it's dead easy to do, i promise. 07:03 < waxwing> and the biggest advantage is, if you perform *both* taker and maker role, you're basically ruining any attempt to figure out linkages based on the assumption that a Maker is always a maker ... 07:06 < waxwing> by decidedly quiet i mean like ~10 attempted joins per day instead of more like 50-100 a few months ago. coinjoins are happening, but much more slowly than at some times in the past. 07:07 < waxwing> and you still may see zero, yourself, depending on factors as per takinbo 's points. 09:35 < Sentineo> yeah noticed the frequency drop too 11:48 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 13:25 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:25 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.35] has joined #joinmarket 13:55 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:a868:5a35:748a:4bfa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58 -!- Giszmo [~leo@2407:7000:9d28:5100:a868:5a35:748a:4bfa] has joined #joinmarket 14:08 -!- reallll is now known as belcher 14:11 < belcher> waxwing id say the electrum plugin would be useful on balance in terms of privacy, but it would need a warning about using public servers 14:11 < belcher> i dont know how easy it is to actually code it though, -clientserver makes it easier, right? 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