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00:48 < waxwing> i think it is but .. wait can you use Electrum for that?
00:56 < waxwing> i guess you can, i somehow forgot it's completely customisable, but i can't remember whether i ever tried it
00:57 < waxwing> kristapsk, i guess this should be the most likely solution? https://gist.github.com/AdamISZ/d978a1fa06b808773cf14d08b16c6b6e
00:58 < waxwing> i just remembered, the old wallets don't use BIP39, so i think that's why, even with customisable paths, you can't load the old ones in Electrum. isn't that right?
00:59 < waxwing> oh, duh, that script requires he has Joinmarket installed ...
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09:59 < joinmarketuser2> I've been running a yield generator with some btc for a few days but the largest cj that has occurred was less than 0.1 btc. is that because no one is doing larger joins with any regularity or am i just not being selected - any ideas?
10:00 < joinmarketuser2> assuming there is volume in the market, any way to increase the number of coinjoins if one prefers volume over fees as a maker
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10:14 < belcher> joinmarketuser2 its hard to say what the volume is, its possible to measure but nobody is doing it (measuring continuously at least, there have been times someone has posted a measurement for only a couple of days)
10:15 < belcher> maybe you could lower your price, although bare in mind the default taker algorithm is just to randomly pick from all makers under a certain price threshold
10:16 < belcher> also remember theres a difference between relative offers and absolute offers; relative offers encourage low coinjoin amounts and absolute offer encourage high amounts
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10:32 < belcher> (in hindsight a better way of designing offers would be to just have one offer type with both a absolute fee and relative fee parameters)
10:32 < belcher> (so total fee would be absfee + coinjoin_amount*relfee)
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10:44 < CgRelayBot> [cgan/AlexCato] there's indeed not that much activity lately, joinmarketuser2 . I also have experimented with very low fee makers, but it seems that most takers just use default fee settings, that is... no preferred taking of low fee offers.
10:44 < CgRelayBot> [cgan/AlexCato] There's nothing you can do as a maker to increase volume, only patience.
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12:56 < joinmarketuser2> belcher, "remember theres a difference between relative offers and absolute offers" I am not familiar with that feature. What is the default offer for a maker, absolute or relative?
12:57 < belcher> the default is relative iirc
12:57 < joinmarketuser2> what is the difference
12:57 < belcher> its somewhere in the options of yield generator, you can choose either swabsoffer or swreloffer
12:58 < belcher> for absolute offer the fee is the same regardless of coinjoin amount, for relative offer the fee is proportional to the coinjoin amount (so fee = relative_fee*coinjoin_amount)
13:08 < joinmarketuser2> Are the default maximum fees in tumbler and sendpayment equal to or less than the defaults in the yield generators?
13:09 < belcher> i dont know
13:22 < joinmarketuser2> I took a quick look, not sure if i read the code correctly but it looks like the yield generator default is .00001 relative fee and the tumbler uses a max relative of .001 and max absolute of up to 10000 sat
13:23 < joinmarketuser2> so the default yield generator would exclude joins over 10 btc 
13:23 < joinmarketuser2> since the yg would request > 10,000 sat but the default tumbler would exclude that as over its max
13:25 < CgRelayBot> [cgan/AlexCato] it's 0.001 relative *OR* 10,000 sat absolut... not"and".
13:25 < waxwing> the two limits of the Taker are of the form "we accept if at least one of the two is acceptable"
13:25 < waxwing> snap :)
13:25 < CgRelayBot> [cgan/AlexCato] how very unlikely! :D
13:41 < kristapsk> joinmarketuser2, maximums are bigger than defaults
13:41 < kristapsk> except probably for a really small amount cj's with absolute offers
13:43 < kristapsk> actually, JM reloffer default of 0.002% (cjfee_r = '0.00002') is unfairly cheap, compared to Wasabi, which has 0.003% per anonimity set :)
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