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03:37 < kristapsk_> felix34, if we talking about HSMs, better idea would be not have private keys available for JM at all, and instead give PSBT to HSM for signing (could be just a different computer, connected via USB serial port, for example)
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03:51 < undeath> i have no idea what exactly you're talking about, but as long as some kind of interface needs to be around for jm to actually sign txs it doesn't really matter where/how the private keys are stored
03:52 < undeath> unless you're talking about taker-only ofc
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08:33 < waxwing_> undeath, i may be drifting off topic here, but it conceivably could matter, for example, a hardware device could have logic to only sign txs that increase, not decrease balance (this is problematic from many angles, but recent segwit and taproot sighashing changes are relevant, as are discussions of clever attacks like those thought up by greg sanders)
08:34 < waxwing_> just like the 1000ft view of what people have discussed in a lot more detail, about HW and coinjoin
08:55 < undeath> oh, that's an interesting idea indeed
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10:46 < undeath> i've written down some thoughts on a decentralized protocol for jm here: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/415
10:46 < undeath> appreciate any thoughts/feedback
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11:14 < waxwing_> on a quick read through, it seems like a plausible set of thoughts.
11:15 < waxwing_> i remember actually implementing tests with websockets back in the day (against the MessageChannel thing we have).
11:19 < undeath> biggest issue is probably the workflow of the gossip protocol part
11:20 < undeath> i need to check how other netwoks handle that
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