--- Day changed Thu Oct 17 2019 00:18 -!- takamatsu [takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 00:54 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.174.155] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:10 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.174.155] has joined #joinmarket 01:32 -!- takamatsu [takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:19 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.174.155] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:51 -!- ircuser [b9d59aa8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.213.154.168] has joined #joinmarket 02:51 -!- ircuser is now known as HakkI 03:43 -!- joinmarketuser1 [~joinmarke@104.129.31.27] has joined #joinmarket 03:43 -!- joinmarketuser [~joinmarke@104.129.31.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07 < waxwing_> there needs to be demand; at higher coinjoin amounts there's some scarcity of people offering; there i think you could safely set higher relative fees. 04:08 < waxwing_> kristapsk, what's up? iiuc you get a 0 balance reported on a wallet with current #359? 04:10 < kristapsk> waxwing_, yes, will look into that later again, what's happening there 04:12 -!- waxwing_ is now known as waxwing 04:12 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@193.29.57.116] has quit [Changing host] 04:12 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@unaffiliated/waxwing] has joined #joinmarket 04:16 < waxwing> well when you get round to it, first be sure to be on dad8bcc . btw AlexCato did i understand from the above that it's running OK for you? 04:19 -!- HakkI [b9d59aa8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.213.154.168] has left #joinmarket [] 04:19 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:19 -!- technonerd [~techno@gateway/tor-sasl/technonerd] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:19 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:30 < waxwing> to state the probably redundant, 'it works for me' :) 04:34 -!- technonerd [~techno@gateway/tor-sasl/technonerd] has joined #joinmarket 05:35 -!- takamatsu [takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 05:57 -!- Sentineo [~Undefined@unaffiliated/sentineo] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:01 -!- fishguts_ [~fishguts@121-200-12-43.79c80c.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:01 -!- Sentineo [~Undefined@unaffiliated/sentineo] has joined #joinmarket 06:02 -!- fishguts [~fishguts@121-200-12-43.79c80c.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net] has joined #joinmarket 06:12 -!- takamatsu [takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:23 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 07:22 < belcher> undeath iv replied to your thread on github 07:22 < belcher> ideally lets keep the conversation there because github has better record keeping than irc 07:28 < undeath> yes, otherwise it'd be really hard for others to follow the discussion 07:32 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 07:32 -!- MaxSan [~four@2001:ac8:33:9:e73c:6d13:9649:a714] has joined #joinmarket 07:41 < belcher> i was thinking to delete all the files in github.com/joinmarket-org/joinmarket except for README, so that vistors to the site dont have to scroll down as much to see the link to -clientserver 07:41 < belcher> of course the files arent really deleted, they'd still exist in the git repos 07:51 < undeath> can we archive that repo 07:51 < undeath> ? 07:57 < belcher> any idea how that works? 07:57 < belcher> is it possible to put a link to the new repos if its archived 08:37 < undeath> i've never used that feature myself, just seen other projects using it 08:40 < undeath> https://help.github.com/en/articles/about-archiving-repositories 08:40 < undeath> We recommend that you close all issues and pull requests, as well as update the README file and description, before you archive a repository. 08:41 < undeath> so you have to first update the readme and then archive it 08:44 < belcher> oo that might be an issue (hah) because the original joinmarket github has lots of useful issues 08:44 < undeath> closing the issues just seems to be a recommendation 08:44 < undeath> but archiving the repo will make them read-only 08:49 < belcher> i dont think we want that 08:49 < undeath> then it's just a readme update I guess 08:49 < belcher> seems rm'ing all the files is best, the commit which does that can easily be reverted to make all the files come back if needed 08:50 < undeath> why do you want to rm them? so nobody accidentally clones the repo? 08:51 < belcher> so that visitors dont need to scroll down as much until they see the link to -clientserver 08:51 < undeath> heh 09:00 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/AlexCato] waxwing, re: btw AlexCato did i understand from the above that it's running OK for you?. --> yes, works, not crashing any more on startup. Was a git issue. Havent seen a join yet though to analyze. 09:03 -!- MaxSan [~four@2001:ac8:33:9:e73c:6d13:9649:a714] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:03 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/AlexCato] belcher, undeath: there's still some documentation in the original joinmarket repo that is needed, e.g. what commitments are and how they work (noticed that when raedah asked about that 2 days ago). Before deleting, some of that info needs to be transfered to -clientserver. I'm volunteering for that, but currently cant predict when I'll be 09:03 < AgoraRelay> able to do it 09:04 < belcher> good point 09:04 < undeath> where is that documentation? should it be moved to the joinmarket-docs repo? 09:05 < belcher> i also have on my todo list to improve the joinmarket docs (like pretend i know nothing about joinmarket and read the docs carefully), so if any deletion happens it should be after all those things when we're sure the files arent needed 09:05 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/AlexCato] yes, it should be moved (and checked if everything in it still up to date). Commitments is just an example of that: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Sourcing-commitments-for-joins 09:05 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/AlexCato] there might be more 09:05 < belcher> that link is from the github wiki, which wouldnt be deleted (or hidden rather than deleted) 09:06 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/AlexCato] still confusing that when looking for info about jm-clientserver, you need to go the the original jm repo 09:06 < undeath> this repo would be a good candidate for archival though: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/JMBinary 09:07 < undeath> not sure about this one, but install.sh works on tails, no? https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/tailsjoin 09:08 < belcher> i havent tried it but it should do, that tailsjoin repo is from 2016 or something 09:08 < belcher> i posted in the decentralized network protocol issue just now btw 09:08 < undeath> yeah, it's ancient and pre-clientserver 09:32 < belcher> in joinmarket we have the thing where txfee above 144 is interpreted as a fee rate, while below 144 is interpreted as a target number of blocks to confirm within 09:32 < belcher> however we shouldnt be using 144 as the magic number, because core's fee estimation allows block targets up to two weeks (2016 blocks) 09:33 < belcher> some people might legitimately want to target confirmation in more than 144 blocks (one day) 09:35 < belcher> wait no, the max isnt 2016 but 1008 blocks (about one week) 09:35 < belcher> that would be nice to change, but if we just changed 144 -> 1008 then it becomes impossible to set a fee rate of 1 sat/vb which would be tx_fee = 1000 09:38 < belcher> maybe we could redefine the unit, so 1 sat/vbyte becomes 10000 instead of 1000.... and then [1, 1008] is block target and 10000+ is fee rate and setting [1009, 9999] results in an error 09:43 < belcher> ^ i will make an issue about that 09:46 -!- BlueMatt [~BlueMatt@unaffiliated/bluematt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:48 -!- BlueMatt [~BlueMatt@unaffiliated/bluematt] has joined #joinmarket 09:58 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #joinmarket 10:21 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.174.155] has joined #joinmarket 11:12 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41 < AgoraRelay> [agora-irc/AlexCato] did core change that? When I implemented the 144 blocks, the max core was estimating was 25 blocks 11:46 < kristapsk> AlexCato, I think since 0.15 11:48 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.174.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:13 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 12:47 < waxwing> belcher, please consider not merging various new updates now ... you have no idea how hard it's been working on #359 and how much testing and updating and rebasing i had to do .. if you could just hold off a tiny bit while people test it more 12:48 < waxwing> i mean i understand this can't apply in general, but this case is unusual, it is a *very* large change, and rebases aren't just a bit annoying, but they also end up needing a whole nother round of testing 12:48 < belcher> no problem, i had thought of that 12:48 < belcher> one of the updates (the one about renaming a variable) will for sure cause a conflict with #359 12:49 < belcher> so yes waiting is no problem 14:51 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 15:18 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:32 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 16:08 -!- willcl_ark [~quassel@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:24 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:24 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:33 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 16:34 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 16:44 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:45 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has joined #joinmarket 17:12 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4ACC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:27 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A37F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:39 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.174.155] has joined #joinmarket 19:16 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.174.155] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:06 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:17 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 21:23 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:31 -!- fishguts_ [~fishguts@121-200-12-43.79c80c.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net] has joined #joinmarket 22:32 -!- fishguts [~fishguts@121-200-12-43.79c80c.syd.nbn.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]