--- Log opened Mon Jan 06 00:00:59 2020 01:08 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:14 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has joined #joinmarket 01:19 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:21 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has joined #joinmarket 01:51 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 02:30 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:32 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #joinmarket 02:33 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #joinmarket 03:04 -!- Kayley82Mertz [~Kayley82M@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #joinmarket 03:10 < waxwing> kristapsk, related to what you said yesterday about preferring cj-out: consider the deep problem of trying to prevent your payee from knowing about your own coins. 03:10 < waxwing> i say 'deep' because no existing coinjoin algos solve it, not even payjoin 03:11 < waxwing> joinmarket is the only feasible way to make a payment of arbitrary size be a coinjoin, but by default it doesn't obfuscate which utxos are being paid from. 03:12 < waxwing> except for one detail: that makers may have an equal sized utxo to the taker, in which case there is obfuscation, but today that's a happy accident. 03:12 < waxwing> so if we could create a function that ensures use of an equal sized utxo by a counterparty (or more than one, even better), it would be a very cool feature. 03:13 < waxwing> this is also related to nopara's idea "reverse coinjoin" (although i haven't studied that yet really), as well as your point from yesterday. 03:14 < waxwing> i was thinking that this idea could be implemented now without new code by doing (a) a coinjoin with a few parties and then (b) a second coinjoin which is the payment to the payee, but manually picking the same counterparties 03:14 < waxwing> but that's not reliable because the counterparties may choose different mixdepths to spend from. 03:20 < kristapsk> I just figured out that it doesn't give much, because recognizable maker change of that paying to merchant cj will go back to the same mixdepth and in future cj's will anyway be very likely mixed together with other UTXO's 03:21 < kristapsk> (I assumed that sendpayment is done from a wallet that's other time is used by yg) 03:22 < waxwing> well there's a general meta statement that if we only consider in isolation one entity going "in" to joinmarket algos and then going "out", it's always theoretically possible to isolate behavior 03:22 < waxwing> but i think that's too narrow a view, not only because people may move in and out of joinmarket, but also use different roles in joinmarket 03:22 < waxwing> at a base level, something which obfuscates the source of my coins to my payee is very useful i think 04:05 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has joined #joinmarket 04:35 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msgkvvajkynpyken] has joined #joinmarket 04:44 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:44 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 04:52 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has joined #joinmarket 05:28 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:22 < waxwing> heads up, 475 is merged, please use master if you're so inclined, you'll see on startup that you need to move your wallets and config file into ~/.joinmarket 06:22 < waxwing> you can also specify --datadir with any script to use a different location 06:23 < waxwing> (also you can now run ob-watcher without Core, #478 was merged) 06:34 -!- Kayley82Mertz [~Kayley82M@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:55 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msgkvvajkynpyken] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:59 < waxwing> kristapsk, missed 1 more: the yigen-statement.csv location was hardcoded too, fixed now --- Log closed Mon Jan 06 07:55:11 2020 --- Log opened Mon Jan 06 07:55:11 2020 08:23 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:28 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has joined #joinmarket 08:53 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:53 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #joinmarket 09:43 -!- joncoe1 [joncoe@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/joncoe] has joined #joinmarket 09:46 -!- joncoe1 [joncoe@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/joncoe] has quit [Client Quit] 10:32 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:38 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has joined #joinmarket 10:44 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has joined #joinmarket 11:07 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:32 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 11:43 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:46 -!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@S0106f0f249637173.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #joinmarket 11:51 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:52 < waxwing> the yieldgenerator instructions say to keep track of balance use wallet-tool display or history, they don't mention the yigen-statement.csv log, seems like a big omission. i think a fair few users don't even know about it. 11:52 < waxwing> explains why people quite often ask me about that and the numpy dependency i guess :) 11:56 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.172] 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quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:21 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.172] has joined #joinmarket 17:45 < treyzania> for some reason the password for my yield generator wallet stopped working, the yield generator itself is still running but I can't seem to use wallet-tool.py to check the history 17:45 < treyzania> is there a better way to recover my funds other than rescanning the chain on a node with -txindex? 17:45 < treyzania> I have the seedphrase written down of course 17:47 < treyzania> I took a coredump of the process with gdb and I'm thinking of writing a script to search through the heap for the Storage object that contains the decrypted wallet, but that sounds... time consuming 17:58 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A7CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00 -!- CgRelayBot [~CgRelayBo@p5DE4A7CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:12 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A488.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:12 -!- 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