--- Log opened Sat Jan 11 00:00:03 2020 00:29 < waxwing> no. i've just looked and what i complained about to laurent about 2 years ago seems to still be true - when i pull up a joinmarket tx it says 'cannot calculate entropy' 00:29 < waxwing> ironic for me to complain about it really, since i wrote in extensive detail why i generally don't think that measure is valuable 00:31 < waxwing> in the sense that it will mislead users, see here for a long discussion (especially the last couple of comments): https://gist.github.com/LaurentMT/e758767ca4038ac40aaf#gistcomment-2853278 00:31 < waxwing> hmm 'not valuable' is not the right way to say it, but it's nuanced and it would take too long to write again here. 00:42 -!- midnight [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:44 < waxwing> hmm that is a lot of text, here's the main point: "Consider the case of a simple tree of transactions, each of which is a payment from one of the two outputs of its parent. So, every transaction is a bog-standard bitcoin payment. Since all of them would fit Example 1 here, all would have zero entropy. This means that a normal bitcoin transaction graph has zero entropy." 02:07 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has joined #joinmarket 02:23 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:25 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has joined #joinmarket 03:05 -!- Mya12Lowe [~Mya12Lowe@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #joinmarket 03:28 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:33 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has joined #joinmarket 03:45 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 03:45 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:47 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has joined #joinmarket 04:13 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:47 -!- MaxSan [~four@193.148.16.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:49 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:51 -!- joncoe [seru@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/joncoe] has joined #joinmarket 04:54 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has joined #joinmarket 05:47 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:59 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has joined #joinmarket 06:58 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:03 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has joined #joinmarket 08:45 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has joined #joinmarket 09:08 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:13 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has joined #joinmarket 09:15 -!- joncoe [seru@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/joncoe] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:56 -!- openoms_ [~quassel@195.140.215.182] has joined #joinmarket 10:57 -!- openoms [~quassel@195.140.215.182] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21 -!- sturles [~sturles@unaffiliated/sturles] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:22 -!- GAit [~GAit@unaffiliated/gait] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:22 -!- sturles [~sturles@ulrik.uio.no] has joined #joinmarket 11:22 -!- sturles [~sturles@ulrik.uio.no] has quit [Changing host] 11:22 -!- sturles [~sturles@unaffiliated/sturles] has joined #joinmarket 11:49 -!- GAit [~GAit@unaffiliated/gait] has joined #joinmarket 12:11 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 12:12 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:16 -!- lukedashjr is now known as luke-jr 12:31 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has joined #joinmarket 13:21 -!- raedah [~x@192.30.89.75] has joined #joinmarket 14:11 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #joinmarket 15:36 -!- midnightmagic [~midnightm@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #joinmarket 15:43 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:44 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 16:02 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:22 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has joined #joinmarket 16:28 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30 -!- viasil [~viasil@93.190.137.186] has joined #joinmarket 17:06 -!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@S0106f0f249637173.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #joinmarket 17:07 < thunderstruck> Hey guys, is there an option to set maxsize of inputs as maker or will it just use the total amount in the wallet being used? 17:07 < thunderstruck> this is when using the normal privacyenhanced maker script 17:14 < waxwing> thunderstruck, basically it'll look at the balance in each mixdepth and decide which one to use to fund a particular coinjoin 17:14 < waxwing> the general concept is that utxos in the *same* coinjoin are linked, most of the time, whereas utxos in different mixdepths are not linked 17:15 < waxwing> and that's why we move from one mixdepth to another only via an equal-sized coinjoin out, where the ambiguity of ownership has been created 17:17 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:18 < thunderstruck> oh i see 17:19 < thunderstruck> so say i have 0.25btc spread across 4 mixdepths, it wouldnt combine them all in order to participate in a 0.25btc CJ ? 17:23 < waxwing> no it gets split 17:24 < waxwing> and yes that does mean your maximum possible size (over time anyway) gets reduced, but this is needed for better privacy 17:24 < waxwing> i find from experience your max size tends to stabilise around 1/3 to 1/2 of your total. 17:32 -!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@S0106f0f249637173.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34 -!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@S0106f0f249637173.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #joinmarket 17:50 < thunderstruck> okak that makes sense, thanks for all the answer Wax! 17:52 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A5B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:54 -!- CgRelayBot [~CgRelayBo@p5DE4A5B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:57 -!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@S0106f0f249637173.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:07 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p548665E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:08 -!- CgRelayBot [~CgRelayBo@p548665E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 19:31 -!- midnightmagic is now known as midnight 19:40 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #joinmarket 20:34 -!- johnhmay [sid110431@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zfrxhtlemeuubzvz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:35 -!- johnhmay [sid110431@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nvuajcqfezjxtiqg] has joined #joinmarket 20:38 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:39 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined #joinmarket 23:19 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has joined #joinmarket --- Log closed Sun Jan 12 00:00:04 2020