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00:44 < kristapsk> k3tan, you will need to rescan blockchain
00:45 < kristapsk> proposal for JM resistance against sybil attacks is using fidelity bonds - https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/371
00:49 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] so, down to one IRC. Agora down for more than 12 hrs already (at least the TOR HS, did not check clearnet)
00:52 < kristapsk> AlexCato, sad, and Darkscience also seems unreliable from time to time; ideas of any other Tor IRC networks around?
00:56 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] sadly, nope. Was hard to find DS back in the day when Agora went bad. Main problem is we also need TOR connectivity without prio registration... and there's not that much out there
00:56 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] could of course self-host an IRC, but i just see that as a big bullseye painted on your back
00:57 < kristapsk> AlexCato, yeah, I had thoughts about selfhosting IRC before too, but it's a big problem if it's known, who hosts it
00:57 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] could do it on TOR hidden service only... while this is a problem for everyone using clearnet, at least it might be working as a backup if everything else stops working
00:59 < kristapsk> even if it's hs only, there aren't much jm developers around, it's relatively easy to find out which one is hosting it
01:03 < kristapsk> https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/6z7uqy/tor_hidden_service_irc_server/
01:03 < kristapsk> that yuzcxdtxwod3lyin.onion seems to be working
01:03 < kristapsk> but don't know anything more about it
01:04 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] good thing is, we dont need to :) That post is 2 years old. If that server is still up, thats a good start for dependability
01:05 < kristapsk> MOTD gives twitter contact - https://twitter.com/grasshopperroot
01:15 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] mh. Doesnt work for me, host unreachable
01:17 < kristapsk> I'm connected, no probl
01:17 < kristapsk> off now for some hours, will check again later
01:17 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] ssl=no, port=6667 ?
01:19 < kristapsk> AlexCato, yes
01:21 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] thanks, dont know why my irc client cant connect. Will look into it later
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02:02 < coconutanna> there is at least 1 stable irc network on i2p.
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08:18 < waxwing> kristapsk, re "relatively easy to find out". i mean, that's a bit of a stretch, considering it certainly wouldn't have to be a JM developer.
08:18 < waxwing> could just be a user who dropped it in the channel on darkscience or w/e
08:22 < waxwing> hmm so what's the status for others? i just checked agora clearnet and that's working. i'll check HS now.
08:22 < waxwing> well 'working'; just tried connecting with hexchat, not quite the same.
08:27 < waxwing> also the runner of such an IRC server is not really even at risk from the most irrational of LE agents, since you can simply comply with any request: anything that isn't public and sensitive is end to end encrypted and you have zero ability to decrypt it.
08:28 < waxwing> as we've already seen happen with cyberguerrilla last year iirc. (though don't think it was connected with JM using it).
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08:39 < waxwing> weird with that yuzcxdtxwod3lyin.onion .. i'm seeing a "signed on" message but JM doesn't think it's ready. i'll check the code again but i wonder if the agora server isn't sending back what's expected.
08:41 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] cant connect with pidgin to the agora HS either; they seem to have a problem with their hidden service. Directly out of the TOR logs: [NOTICE] Tried for 120 seconds to get a connection to [scrubbed]:6667. Giving up. (waiting for rendezvous desc)  [404 duplicates hidden]
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08:43 < waxwing> hmm my experience connecting with JM is different; I get the signed On message but then after we do a /join we don't get the joined callback firing.
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12:42 < kristapsk> belcher_, re 528, do you have somewhere that tweet with somebody having problems installing JM because of not having curl?
12:46 < belcher_> no it was a twitter direct message
12:46 < belcher_> kristapsk ^
12:46 < qubenix> we could do what core does in install_db4.sh: check for curl first and fallback to wget
12:47 < belcher_> i can ask the dude, but there wasnt many more details, he just mentioned he had to install curl first
12:50 < kristapsk> well, I'm think what to do here, probably we could just switch from curl to wget, as I think it's more widespread
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12:50 < qubenix> looks like install_db4.sh does `curl -v >/dev/null` and if exits non-zero uses wget
12:50 < kristapsk> on Debian based systems install.sh should have installed curl itself
12:51 < kristapsk> we don't use any curl advanced features, so wget should be fine
12:52 < kristapsk> what I'm not 100% sure, is there some Linux distro that does not have wget by default
12:54 < kristapsk> we could just print message to install curl (or wget) from distribution's package manager too
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12:59 < kristapsk> ehh, I think it would be pretty simple change to work with either curl or wget and only if both of them aren't present print an error
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13:27 < kristapsk> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/pull/531
13:36 < kristapsk> about that yuzcxdtxwod3lyin.onion ("Grasshopper Steel Salmon IRC") - so far I've checked only with HexChat, that I'm able to connect
13:37 < kristapsk> coconutanna, interesting, any details? I haven't used I2P, but probably that's another alternative possibility
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14:30 < pipp8> is agora hidden service down?
14:44 < kristapsk> pipp8, it looks so
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