--- Log opened Tue Mar 03 00:00:12 2020 00:04 -!- zndtoshi [4f705605@79.112.86.5] has joined #joinmarket 00:06 < zndtoshi> I'm playing with the tumble schedule coinjoining with default settings and 2 out of 2 I get a ABORT: failed to source a commitment. I checked the logs but there's not much help. 00:06 < zndtoshi> 1st time happened after txs in the tumble process, 2nd time happened at the last txs in the tumble process 00:06 < zndtoshi> 1st happened after 2nd tx* 00:09 < zndtoshi> I tried cli sendpayment with more peers but get same error 00:41 -!- slivera_ [~slivera@217.138.204.68] has joined #joinmarket 00:41 -!- slivera_ [~slivera@217.138.204.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44 -!- slivera [~slivera@217.138.204.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:51 -!- slivera [~slivera@43.245.162.131] has joined #joinmarket 00:57 -!- sosthene [~sosthene@82.67.20.124] has joined #joinmarket 01:02 -!- azizLIGHT [~azizLIGHT@unaffiliated/azizlight] has quit [Killed (leguin.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 01:05 -!- azizLIGHT [~azizLIGHT@unaffiliated/azizlight] has joined #joinmarket 01:46 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:17 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #joinmarket 02:37 < belcher_> zndtoshi: seems like you had two many failed attempts and have run out of UTXO podle commitments, to fix it use sendpayment with -N to spend one of your utxos and create a new one, then try again after they have 5 confirms 02:38 < zndtoshi> where do I send it? To a new address in same pool? and what should -N be? 0 or with other peers 02:39 < zndtoshi> same address in same mixdepth* 02:39 < belcher_> yes, just a new address in the same wallet 02:39 < belcher_> yes, -N 0 so you dont make a coinjoin (because you cant) 02:39 < zndtoshi> got it. thank you. 02:43 < zndtoshi> belcher_ what's the minimum no. of counterparties per tx recommended for tumbling? 02:48 < DSRelBot_> [DS/AlexCato1] use the defaults, these are the developers' recommendations... i think it was set to 6-8 02:48 < zndtoshi> default was 9. and I want to lower it to 6 (thinking is good enough) 02:50 < belcher_> zndtoshi: the absolute minimum is 2 i guess, because if you pick 1 then that one knows the linkage in full 02:50 < DSRelBot_> [DS/AlexCato1] thats not what i'd understand as "recommended" though 02:50 < belcher_> although theres lots of benefits of having higher N numbers, a few months back we went through an update to the tumbler algorithm and realized increasing N goes a long way to improving privacy 02:51 < belcher_> just keep at the default id say 02:53 < zndtoshi> Yeah I understand higher N increases a lot privacy over more txs. One last question: Let's say I keep 9 average counter parties and I have averge of 2 txs / mixdepth resulting in 8 txs with 9 peers = 72 anonimity set? And because we have 3 final UTXOs would that mean on average 72/3= 24 anonimity set / utxo or is 73 for each? (sorry if I am 02:53 < zndtoshi> ignorant and am using here _anonimity set_ loosely or wrongly) 02:56 -!- viasil [thecodefac@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lrqdxvorozlktbim] has quit [Quit: killed] 03:05 -!- Norene65Huel [~Norene65H@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #joinmarket 03:08 -!- k3tan [~ketan@unaffiliated/k3tan] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.7.1] 03:09 -!- k3tan [~ketan@unaffiliated/k3tan] has joined #joinmarket 03:16 -!- zndtoshi [4f705605@79.112.86.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22 -!- viasil [thecodefac@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-oocqsnpnktqtqbrr] has joined #joinmarket 03:25 -!- zndtoshi [4f705605@79.112.86.5] has joined #joinmarket 03:30 < belcher_> my view is that such calculations are not really useful 03:30 < belcher_> your coinjoins will be in a big crowd of other people's coinjoins, so the calculation should somehow take into account how many other coinjoins are out there 03:32 < belcher_> and ofc it will be different depending on your threat model, is your adversary running one or more makers or are they just passively observing the blockchain, does the adversary have other information like scraping the web for bitcoin addresses or KYC info 03:41 < zndtoshi> Yes you are right. I was feeling that this calculation can not be easily done as there are many other variables that play into this. One more question: I am trying to lower the max_cj_fee_abs to 1000 sat but when I try to start a tumbler I get a dialog that says something like "maximum abs set is 5k"). Am I doing something wrong? Am I supposed to 03:41 < zndtoshi> set relative fee as well or can I just leave that commented? 03:44 -!- Norene65Huel [~Norene65H@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:24 -!- slivera [~slivera@43.245.162.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07 -!- zndtoshi [4f705605@79.112.86.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:10 -!- zndtoshi [4f705605@79.112.86.5] has joined #joinmarket 05:20 -!- zndtoshi [4f705605@79.112.86.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:21 -!- zndtoshi [4f705605@79.112.86.5] has joined #joinmarket 05:27 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.59] has joined #joinmarket 05:35 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:51 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 05:51 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:55 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.59] has joined #joinmarket 06:26 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 06:28 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:29 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.59] has joined #joinmarket 06:36 -!- MaxSan [~four@185.156.175.59] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:54 -!- Super [~Super@151.65.30.218] has joined #joinmarket 06:59 -!- Super [~Super@151.65.30.218] has left #joinmarket ["Leaving"] 07:02 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:04 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.106.95] has joined #joinmarket 07:21 -!- Xeha [~Xeha@unaffiliated/k1773r] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:26 -!- Xeha [~Xeha@unaffiliated/k1773r] has joined #joinmarket 08:11 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has joined #joinmarket 09:27 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #joinmarket 09:35 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.106.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #joinmarket 10:04 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 12:07 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08 -!- zndtoshi [4f705605@79.112.86.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #joinmarket 13:57 -!- slivera [~slivera@217.138.204.88] has joined #joinmarket 15:25 -!- sosthene [~sosthene@82.67.20.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:26 -!- sosthene [~sosthene@82.67.20.124] has joined #joinmarket 15:48 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.7] 17:20 -!- slivera [~slivera@217.138.204.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:44 -!- DSRelBot_ [~DSRelBot@p5DE4A6E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:45 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A6E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:50 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p5DE4A716.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 17:56 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A716.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:51 -!- ponkaloupe [~ponkaloup@c-73-97-138-50.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #joinmarket 20:04 -!- fluffypony [fluffypony@unaffiliated/fluffypony] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:05 -!- fluffypony [fluffypony@coreteam.getmonero.org] has joined #joinmarket 20:05 -!- fluffypony [fluffypony@coreteam.getmonero.org] has quit [Changing host] 20:05 -!- fluffypony [fluffypony@unaffiliated/fluffypony] has joined #joinmarket 20:05 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:08 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:25 -!- slivera [~slivera@217.138.204.73] has joined #joinmarket --- Log closed Wed Mar 04 00:00:12 2020