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05:52 < coconutanna> kristapsk, about I2P's irc network. there is a default tunnel ready to go when you first install i2p. it connects you to its official federated irc network, irc2p.
05:55 < coconutanna> kristapsk, unlike all tor-enabled irc servers i've come across, i2p support is not just tacked on in this case. it's i2p-only. also, i2p development happens there. my theory is that this sort of dogfooding helps stability. anyway, irc2p has been in operation for 15ish years, so i'd personally be very comfortable to rely on it.
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08:07 < belcher> is it possible to go on such an irc network with both clearnet and i2p
08:21 < coconutanna> belcher, afaik no
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09:28 < ponkaloupe> Is there some minimum BTC I need to get jm-clientserver to work?
09:28 < ponkaloupe> I’m trying to test it with a small amount of BTC to make sure I have it configured sanely before I dump more BTC into it
09:29 < ponkaloupe> Deposited 1 mBTC each into two of the wallet address
09:29 < darosior> I think 1mBTC is fine as a taker :)
09:30 < ponkaloupe> But when I try to use the Single Join tab in joinmarket-qt.py, it finds cosigners and proposes me a transaction that looks good, I hit “ok”, and then it gives me an error:
09:31 < ponkaloupe> Unable to select sufficient coins: Exception(“Not enough funds”)
09:32 < ponkaloupe> I tried with Amount set to 2 mBTC at first, then kept trying lower values all the way down to 1.2 mBTC, but no luck
09:39 < kristapsk> looking into I2P now, by Gentoo docs looks simple, could be added to default joinmarket.cfg as by default commented out IRC entry
09:53 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] ponkaloupe: probably the bitcoin transaction fee would be bigger than your join amount. If you are not in a hurry, I'd set the "tx_fees" in your configuration to something extremely low like 1500 sat/kbyte
09:54 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] otherwise there will not be much left after a coinjoin, if the default bitcoin network transaction fee ends up being higher than your 1mbtc
09:57 < kristapsk> coconutanna, trying that I2P stuff now, but all connects to localhost:6668 ends up with "java.net.UnknownHostException: Could not resolve irc.00.i2p" (hostnames changes from time to time)... :(
10:03 < belcher> i know i2p is much less studied than tor
10:03 < belcher> also a nice thing we have now is that the irc networks can be used by both clearnet and tor users
10:05 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] we're down to one working IRC network though, which works with both TOR and clearnet
10:09 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] so I'm totally in favor to add more irc servers to the config, even if commented out by default. Fine with me if they are TOR-only or I2P-only (never did anything with I2P, so unsure how much work end-users have to set this up additionally to JM)
10:12 < belcher> iv already found one other clearnet+tor connection (its making me wait a bit before registering)
10:12 < belcher> iv also found another such network but they say they might shut down in june 2020 because the maintainer is losing interest
10:13 < belcher> i did a /who on the darkscience irc channel and found the vast majority of the bots there connect with tor (although this method of measuring would overestimate makers, since takers spend less time connected)
10:13 < belcher> so agreed that tor-only networks are fine
10:13 < kristapsk> about setting up - for Gentoo it kinda should have been just "emerge net-vpn/i2p; /etc/init.d/i2p start" and then connect to localhost:6668 with IRC client, so simple
10:13 < kristapsk> but isn't working for me
10:14 < technonerd> needs time to bootstrap into network on first install
10:14 < kristapsk> technonerd, ahh, ok, so I could probably just wait and it will start working at one point?
10:17 < qubenix> nice joinmarket thread: https://twitter.com/zndtoshi/status/1235224800110489609
10:18 < ponkaloupe> AlexCato: thanks for the tip but changing the tx_fees to 1500 didn’t fix anything. I’ll come back to this later & add some logging around the error to try to understand what exactly is failing, I think
10:18 < kristapsk> btw, tested that Grasshoper (yuzcxdtxwod3lyin.onion), one thing I noticed there is that it strips JM bot nicks to 15 chars from 16, guess that could be a reson it's not working right?
10:31 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] that will break the nick authentication and suppress all JM encrypted communication (= all JM activity)
10:31 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] Agora had an issue like that as well a while ago, but they extended the allowed nickname lengths when I asked them about it
10:31 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] maybe Grasshopper is open to the same idea
10:32 < belcher> we could consider reducing our bot nicks, although that would require a backward-incompatible update
10:33 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] i still fail to connect to that Grasshopper irc though ("Hostname unknown" in the irc client. TOR log says [NOTICE] Have tried resolving or connecting to address '[scrubbed]' at 3 different places. Giving up.)
10:36 < kristapsk> I can connect to Grasshopper both with HexChat and JM
10:39 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] yeah, works. I failed hard at accidently misunderstanding IRC client field names
10:42 < belcher> the network i found has allowed me to reg a nick
10:43 < belcher> 5ogdsfyoqk47ompu.onion/6667 or irc.hackint.org/6697 (ssl)
10:43 < belcher> they have a few channels of more than 300 people so should hopefully exist for a long time
10:44 < belcher> btw on Grasshopper check the existing channels, on hexchat you can go Server -> List of channels, to get a nice dialog to browse them with
10:44 < belcher> i dont think theres anything wrong with adding 4-5 new irc networks, since we're doing it
10:45 < belcher> oh hold on, hackint has a v3 onion, use that instead, its  	ncwkrwxpq2ikcngxq3dy2xctuheniggtqeibvgofixpzvrwpa77tozqd.onion/6667
10:45 < kristapsk> fuck, HexChat intercepts "/list" command with it's GUI channel search dialog :D 
10:46 < belcher> yeah dont use /list, it just spams you and isnt searchable or have the other features of the List Of Channels dialog
10:46 < belcher> oh wait
10:46 < belcher> cool, thats a nice feature of hexchat then i didnt know about
10:47 < belcher> i know the old xchat used to just dump the raw reply of /list to your chat box
10:47 < kristapsk> heh, /list is ok on small servers :)
10:56 < belcher> where did you guys find grasshopper ?
10:56 < belcher> i found hackint on the sidebar of reddit.com/r/onions
10:56 < belcher> did some searching on duckduckgo but didnt really find anything
10:59 < belcher> the only downside of hackint is if a user joins with clearnet then everyone in the IRC channel can see their real IP address (on darkscience/agora they didnt see anything, but the operators of those networks of course could see the IP)
10:59 < belcher> i dont think its that bad since we've seen basically everyone uses tor which hides IPs from everyone
11:17 < kristapsk> belcher, just searched duckduckgo and found reddit post
11:44 < technonerd> kristapsk: im also running into the same problem on my gentoo box, no problems on arch
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12:08 < undeath> make sure what addresses i2p is listening on when connecting to "localhost". i've run into trouble with programs that only bind to 127.0.0.1 and not ::1
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12:13 < undeath> maybe we can find some backup irc networks here https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/BlockingIrc
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13:26 < kristapsk> undeath, it's definitely listening, that one error is printed by i2p when I connect to port
13:36 < technonerd> do you have addresses in the router addressbook?
13:36 < technonerd> i had to import mine after changing hosts.txt file perms
13:45 < kristapsk> technonerd, have no idea what you are talking about :D
13:54 < technonerd> open up http://127.0.0.1:7657/dns and select router addressbook and you should see a list of .i2p hostnames
13:57 < technonerd> you can check if /var/lib/i2p/config/hosts.txt has addresses in it
13:57 < kristapsk> at Private / Master / Router it says "This address book is empty."
13:57 < kristapsk> Storage: /var/lib/i2p/router/eepsite/docroot/hosts.txt
13:58 < kristapsk> ls: cannot access '/var/lib/i2p/router/eepsite/docroot/hosts.txt': No such file or directory
14:02 < technonerd> thats the published addressbook does the 'router' one exist at /var/lib/i2p/config/hosts.txt
14:03 < technonerd> you can import it from /usr/share/i2p/hosts.txt
14:06 < kristapsk> # wc -l /var/lib/i2p/config/hosts.txt 
14:06 < kristapsk> 49 /var/lib/i2p/config/hosts.txt
14:07 < kristapsk> # wc -l /usr/share/i2p/hosts.txt 
14:07 < kristapsk> 49 /usr/share/i2p/hosts.txt
14:07 < kristapsk> diff says both files are identical
14:50 < belcher> for anyone who wants to try hackint IRC as a replacement for agora https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/pull/532
14:51 < belcher> agora IRC's pit only has 11 joinmarket bots btw :P
14:51 < belcher> compared to 116 nicknames in darkscience
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15:06 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] yeah, because JM is unable to connect to Agora via TOR
15:06 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] since a few days
15:23 < kristapsk> so, we're completely giving up on Agora, it will not come back?
15:24 < technonerd> neither their irc nor website .onion work for me
15:27 < kristapsk> hmm, but clearnet website is working
15:27 < kristapsk> anybody has asked them what's happening?
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15:35 < belcher> maybe we should keep agora then? just add hackint as a third network
15:37 < kristapsk> I'm definitely not against adding hackint, more networks are better
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15:37 < kristapsk> just really don't know is there some temporary issue with agora or not
15:42 < belcher> ill change the PR to not remove agora
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15:53 < undeath> what about your idea earlier about adding more than just a third network?
15:55 < belcher> you mean adding a fourth network too?
16:10 < undeath> yeah, possibly even more
16:24 < belcher> merged the PR adding hackint
16:25 < kristapsk> actually, I'm starting to think - probably we need to do release soon
16:25 < kristapsk> v0.6.1 in default config is agora and cyberguerilla
16:26 < kristapsk> not soon, but probably ASAP :)
16:27 < belcher> yep
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16:36 < belcher> there is this other network i found, its largest channel has only 22 nicks so our 110+ bots would be by far the biggest, also more importantly they say they'll shut down in june 2020 unless someone else takes over maintaining, so the network might not be around much longer
16:36 < belcher> iv registered the joinmarket channels though
16:36 < kristapsk> before we do release, probably #531 is worth merging (waiting for reviews), others could wait, I guess
16:39 < belcher> makes sense
16:39 < kristapsk> what is our procedure for releases? waiting for waxwing ?
16:48 < belcher> i can do a release if waxwing is unavailable
17:00 < kristapsk> i'm off to Ukraine in a few hours, but, if Internet will be ok at airbnb, could do some reviews / testing, if needed
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19:38 < k3tan> ok so im moving over to a new computer start fresh, is all i really need my wallet.jmdat and im good to go?
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