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03:23 < waxwing> dave_uy, it ensures that none of the transaction coinjoin amounts created in the schedule are less than that number of satoshis
03:24 < waxwing> so, yes; the coinjoin amount is the amount  that ends up in the destination.
03:24 < waxwing> you shouldn't see any tx go through with a lower coinjoin amount than that.
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07:13 < waxwing> re earlier discussion when i wasn't here, i can certainly see the point of a release if we have pinned down new IRC servers. i only tried briefly, is the hackint one proving reliable?
07:14 < waxwing> it's a bit messy, because although it's nice to have redundancy, if one of the N is constantly offline or even worse, unstable where you join and then it immediately kicks you, it's a headache for users.
07:14 < waxwing> (thinking of agora, if it's now working again)
07:23 < waxwing> lol it's insane that #536 has no merge conflicts
07:51 < qubenix> waxwing: hackint has been stable for me. i pretty much added it as soon as belcher reg'd the rooms.
07:52 < qubenix> i'm using the onion address
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08:04 < MaxSan> is there anyway to ping nodes to see how much a mix may cost, without actually having coins? like a dry run?
08:19 < undeath> MaxSan: the order book is public knowledge, the only uncertainty that remains is mining fees for you don't know how many utxos everyone is going to add
08:22 < MaxSan> I was mmre curious if there was a command for it, but I guess others wouldnt sign to see what they may do with no purpose
08:27 < undeath> I see, no such a feature is not implemented
08:45 < undeath> waxwing: big fan of #536 :)
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09:11 < waxwing> good. there are some meaningful practical issues with it (like how the secp binding works and whatnot, and py 3.6 (maybe?). but right now i'm still working on testing and stuff.
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09:52 < undeath> py3.6 might be a little problematic. most linux distros have >=3.6 but one notable one that does not is debian oldstable
09:56 < undeath> regarding coincurve, I don't think we can easily get rid of it. it's needed for podle and it's possibly going to be needed for #415
10:04 < waxwing> well on the second point, it's just a question of whether the new binding exposes a multiplicative tweak; i can always PR that to python-bitcointx if necessary (need to check in a bit more detail)
10:04 < waxwing> but i agree by far the biggest potential sticking point here is py3.6.
10:05 < waxwing> if kanzure ends up actively maintaining python-bitcoinlib i think the transition between *tx and *lib may be fairly trivial, and i don't think that has a 3.6 dependency.
10:05 < waxwing> but i'm very uncertain about it since i like the feature set that *tx focused on.
10:07 < kanzure> yeah i've been looking at that
10:07 < kanzure> they seem to be doing an okay job... not sure if i should just redo their work, incorporate their work, or kill *lib
10:08 < waxwing> kanzure, right. have any thoughts on a strict py3.6 dependency? i had a suspicion which undeath appears to have confirmed that certain distros won't be supportable.
10:08 < waxwing> or i guess they can "just upgrade" ... ?
10:09 < kanzure> why are they doing that?
10:09 < kanzure> type annotations..?
10:09 < waxwing> i think so?
10:09 < kanzure> yeeaah i wouldn't want to require that
10:09 < kanzure> not yet
10:09 < kanzure> and besides, maybe it's in __future__ or something
10:09 < waxwing> sorry i'm not even au fait with type annotations, apart from just seeing it in code and surmising what it means
10:10 < waxwing> that was the obvious syntactical difference though, hence "i think so"
10:11 < kanzure> maybe we can convince petukhov to merge his efforts. he seems to be focused on multicoin functionality though.
10:12 < waxwing> yes i wondered about that. he does seem focused on it, but the arch is such that it's really only supporting bitcoin derivatives i guess. like forks.
10:12 < kanzure> introducing a breaking api change to support altcoins might be untenable :)
10:14 < waxwing> all i was really looking for was: (a) segwit support (b) bip32 support (c) a full libsecp binding, and no openssl ideally (d) ideally psbt or moving towards it
10:14 < undeath> bitcointx is using type annotations and format strings, both unsupported by py3.5
10:16 < undeath> there are no __future__ imports for either
10:25 < kanzure> waxwing: open a pull request? :)
10:43 < waxwing> kanzure, good one :)
10:49 < kanzure> hmph
10:57 < waxwing> not referring to PRs in general of course, just the idea of PRing all my wishlist. especially after spending weeks doing this JM PR...
10:58 < undeath> i'm not sure how widely used debian oldstable is. py3.6 is quite old already in itself
11:01 < undeath> it may affect some makers especially, but then, they can keep on using the older jm version
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17:09 < thelounge1490> what are the ways to reduce the fee (number of mixing rounds/participants) of tumbling for an acceptable privacy ? I tested with the default, starting from 3 addresses and ending with 3 addresses and it ran almost a day with many rounds of mixing. I wonder if that's necessary.
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