--- Log opened Mon Mar 09 00:00:17 2020 00:42 -!- slivera [~slivera@116.206.229.99] has joined #joinmarket 01:21 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] thelounge1490: the best way to reduce the fee is doing coinjoins when the bitcoin network's transaction fees are low. Then you can down-adjust your "tx_fees" parameter to something maybe around 1500 sat/kbyte or so, that will have the biggest impact on the overall fees you pay 01:23 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] what "acceptable privacy" exactly is, is too hard to tell. Depends on who your adversary is... the tumbler's defaults have been set as first intuition and then adjusted for new research and published papers, which has shown what could still be learned from coinjoins with fewer rounds & participants 01:25 < DSRelBot> [DS/AlexCato] so the defaults are quite strong, but as far as I know, we can't quantify how much lower you can go without losing too much privacy 01:26 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 01:30 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:31 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@191.249.34.40] has joined #joinmarket 01:37 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 01:42 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:47 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 01:57 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@191.249.34.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:05 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 02:12 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:12 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@191.249.34.40] has joined #joinmarket 02:22 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@191.249.34.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:23 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 02:29 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #joinmarket 02:32 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:34 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 02:40 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@191.249.34.40] has joined #joinmarket 02:52 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xnqtfbypiymzinay] has joined #joinmarket 03:07 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@191.249.34.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:11 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 03:17 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19 < waxwing> yes, good answer from AlexCato, also worth noting of course that both the average number of transactions per mixdepth and the average number of counterparties are affecting the total cost. 03:20 < waxwing> you can think of the cost as *mostly* a function of (num counterparties) x (num transactions) x (network tx fee rate). this ignores coinjoin fees themselves, which for most value ranges will be only a small top up in cost. 03:21 -!- fiatjaf1 [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 03:21 < waxwing> also re "almost a day" i would say you are thinking on the wrong side of things, tumbler will be much more effective if it takes several days. doing it all in say 5 hours is not great for privacy because of the timing correlation. 04:04 -!- Lonny63Wolff [~Lonny63Wo@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #joinmarket 04:24 -!- fiatjaf1 is now known as fiatjaf 04:33 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 04:49 -!- slivera [~slivera@116.206.229.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:37 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:07 < waxwing> qubenix, or anyone using hackint, can you confirm these settings? 07:07 < waxwing> channel = joinmarket-pit 07:07 < waxwing> socks5_host = localhost 07:07 < waxwing> socks5_port = 9050 07:07 < waxwing> host = ncwkrwxpq2ikcngxq3dy2xctuheniggtqeibvgofixpzvrwpa77tozqd.onion 07:07 < waxwing> port = 6667 07:07 < waxwing> usessl = false 07:07 < waxwing> socks5 = true 07:07 < waxwing> i don't seem to be connecting 07:08 < waxwing> oh it worked instantly second time. first time it was hanging. 07:32 -!- opal [~wowaname@volatile/founder/wowaname] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33 -!- opal [~wowaname@volatile/founder/wowaname] has joined #joinmarket 08:03 -!- opal [~wowaname@volatile/founder/wowaname] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:11 -!- opal [~wowaname@volatile/founder/wowaname] has joined #joinmarket 08:20 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 08:24 -!- Lonny63Wolff [~Lonny63Wo@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26 -!- Urban70White [~Urban70Wh@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #joinmarket 08:27 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 08:42 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:54 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 09:32 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:33 -!- fiatjaf [~fiatjaf@2804:7f2:2980:90fa:ea40:f2ff:fe85:d2dc] has joined #joinmarket 10:02 < coconutanna> joinmarket seems strangely slow on an ARM board here. even getting to wallet-tool's passphrase prompt takes 30 or so secs while there is no obvious system load. has anyone else observed this? 11:51 -!- Urban70White [~Urban70Wh@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53 < kanzure> waxwing: "custom class dispatching code" https://gist.github.com/dgpv/6607c7d0eff66c387d8a5eaeb378e787#file-on-release-of-python-bitcointx-v1-0-1-md 11:55 -!- Gerald11Block [~Gerald11B@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #joinmarket 12:05 < waxwing> coconutanna, i have a feeling that yes, someone else reported almost exactly the same thing. 12:08 < waxwing> kanzure, yes i did read that a little while back, and i don't have much to say except things seem to work as expected; select_chain_params executed on startup according to config and then things work as expected so far w.r.t e.g address formats (CCoinAddress.from_scriptPubKey(scr) generates address objects of the right type, and so on) 12:09 < waxwing> but i still have significant work to do (at least in testing). 12:13 < kanzure> waxwing: check yer emailz 12:14 < waxwing> i did 12:14 < kanzure> alright 12:22 < waxwing> kanzure, i appreciate both your email and the response, not sure right now if i have anything to say about it myself. 12:23 < kanzure> cool, that's fine. i liked his reply, pretty practical. 13:46 -!- opal [~wowaname@volatile/founder/wowaname] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:49 -!- opal [~wowaname@volatile/founder/wowaname] has joined #joinmarket 15:21 -!- Gerald11Block [~Gerald11B@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:48 -!- slivera [~slivera@116.206.229.99] has joined #joinmarket 17:15 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.7] 17:24 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:26 -!- jonatack [~jon@82.102.27.195] has joined #joinmarket 17:46 -!- jonatack [~jon@82.102.27.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #joinmarket 18:06 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4ACEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:06 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p5DE4ACEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:07 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4AB38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:08 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p5DE4AB38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 19:27 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has joined #joinmarket 20:05 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4AB38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:06 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:06 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p5DE4AB38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:09 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #joinmarket 20:10 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A555.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 20:14 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p5DE4A555.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 20:16 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16 -!- ghost43_ [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #joinmarket 20:17 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:22 -!- vrana [~mvranic@gateway/tor-sasl/vrana] has joined #joinmarket 20:45 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:48 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #joinmarket 21:04 -!- ghost43_ [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #joinmarket 21:16 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:23 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #joinmarket 21:32 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #joinmarket 22:41 -!- ghost43_ [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #joinmarket 22:42 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Mar 10 00:00:19 2020