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01:11 < waxwing> 0.001 (100K) is really pushing it, because even if there are sufficient offers, you start running into edge cases based on the difficulty of fee estimation with coinjoin.
01:12 < waxwing> (and right now we're in a high fee regime period). note the default minimum size for a coinjoin in the tumbler algorithm is 0.01
01:13 < waxwing> generally i'd stick to that as a minimum although 500K should work (0.005) fine, i guess pretty much always.
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08:14 < waxwing> if anyone wants to do a quick audit/proofread of the release notes for 0.6.2: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/commit/0e8e2239190f54deb6dca74eedd42c3c6ebeee9c
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09:39 < kristapsk> waxwing, looks ok to me
09:45 < belcher_> waxwing: the freezing utxo part incorrectly talks and links to mystery shopper payments, it should instead link to "forced address reuse" https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Privacy#Forced_address_reuse
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09:46 < belcher_> apart from that it seems fine
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10:00 < waxwing> belcher_, oh yes of course. weird how that ended up in my head ... they are similar but with a rather crucial difference :)
10:00 < waxwing> thanks
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11:51 < kristapsk> waxwing, I see release is in "draft" state, maybe something can be still added to notes?
11:51 < kristapsk> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/blob/master/docs/release-notes/release-notes-0.6.2.md#change-of-default-irc-messaging-servers
11:51 < kristapsk> maybe config lines for hackint should be added to draft, as existing users will not regenerate config
11:51 < kristapsk> s/to draft/to release notes/
11:53 < belcher_> waxwing: its not your fault, in much of the text i could find while writing that article they get confused often, some papers didnt even make a distinction
11:55 < belcher_> like the phrase "dust attack" used for both, or defining dust attack as what we'd call forced address reuse and later in the paper talking about doing it to a brand new address
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12:43 < waxwing> kristapsk, yes, sorry probably not going to do that all again, but: i can add it to the main release page. i'll do that now.
12:44 < kristapsk> waxwing, yeah, noticed release is out already
12:45 < kristapsk> there is also typo in release notes, .install.sh -? instead of ./install.sh -? :(
12:45 < kristapsk> didn't notice when looking at it before
12:45 < waxwing> it brings up an obscure point though: since the config creation process is: (a) load from defaults (b) load from file and overwrite if conflicts, it follows that we should add IRC servers with *different* section names I think.
12:46 < waxwing> so `[MESSAGING:server4]` not server2 (or whatever it is
12:46 < waxwing> kristapsk, ok i can just add a commit with that in case anyone follows those instructions. or you can, actually. just because it doesn't align with the tag doesn't matter a *huge* amount
12:47 < waxwing> since people may just load the *md file directly from the link in /releases and that links to master
12:47 < kristapsk> I had thought some days ago, maybe to add those IRC servers outside joinmarket.cfg, and then you could just enable / disable which one syou want, like "DarkSciene", "DarkScience (Tor)", etc + just add custom ones at joinmarket.cfg
12:47 < waxwing> yeah we could make it easier
12:47 < waxwing> that plus a million other things.
12:47 < waxwing> we still haven't removed yg configuration from the source file, lol
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12:50 < kristapsk> waxwing, that's annoying only when that file changes, which isn't often
12:50 -!- waxwing changed the topic of #joinmarket to: Welcome to JoinMarket: Increase Fungibility and Subsidise Your Fees | https://github.com/Joinmarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver | @joinmarket r/joinmarket | Logs: http://gnusha.org/joinmarket/ | Live View: https://joinmarket.me/ob | Latest release 0.6.2 | Also on ssl cfyfz6afpgfeirst.onion:6667
12:50 <@waxwing> wait do we have the right onion there? what is it, agora? ah yeah i think so.
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12:51 < kristapsk> DarkScience could be added too, as there is now relay bot to that one too
12:51 < waxwing> kristapsk, ah ok thanks, prob. length limits at some point tho
12:52 < kristapsk> hmm, about server names in joinmarket.cfg
12:52 < kristapsk> haven't looked at code, but can't we use [MESSAGING:DarkScience], [MESSAGING:hackint], etc...?
12:53 < waxwing> belcher_, you have op on hackint #joinmarket-pit i guess? pls update topic when convenient
12:53 < waxwing> kristapsk, i don't remeber offhand. undeath might, he's not here tho
13:01 < waxwing> reddit, mastodon done, darkscience irc chan, and this one, done
13:09 < kristapsk> posted to /r/bitcoin
13:10 < kristapsk> with this release I will be able to finally finish my guide for RaspiBolt, splitting code and data dirs are very important there (simplifies things), due to SD card + external HDD setup, as SD cards have wear-out problem and you don't want extra writes there
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13:36 < waxwing> nice
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15:09 < k3tan> is it possible to put disconnections as a log in the yield generator outputs? my internet drops out sometimes overnight and there's no real indication that i need to restart it... or is there?
15:10 < k3tan> or am i doing this wrong?
15:12 < qubenix> k3tan: i think you have to change the console_level_log to DEBUG, or tail the .log file that matches your current irc nick.
15:12 < qubenix> console_log_level*
15:17 < waxwing> qubenix, yes. k3tan : there is no need to restart
15:18 < waxwing> i regulary get disconnections, it should handle that fine.
15:18 < waxwing> but, for sure put the console_log_level to DEBUG to see it (although i think *some* disconnections will come out as info/warn)
15:18 < waxwing> yes, i just now got this for example:
15:18 < waxwing> 2020-03-16 22:18:34,063 [INFO]  Lost IRC connection to: tor.darkscience.net . Should reconnect automatically soon.
15:19 < k3tan> oh excellent, thank you
15:24 < kristapsk> waxwing, k3tan , that message wasn't in v0.6.1, but is in v0.6.2 released few hours ago (or in current master)
15:24 < waxwing> kristapsk, oh, right, forgot that. thank you.
15:43 < k3tan> will you be tweeting out the new version release?
15:48 < waxwing> belcher_, usually does via the @joinmarket account
15:49 < waxwing> but anyone can do it anywhere, no worries, just link to the same /releases link if you do
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16:24 < k3tan> im on master branch, how can i reset for v0.6.2? `git reset --hard v0.6.2` isn't cooperating with me
16:37 < k3tan> otherwise ill just build from master lol
16:38 < waxwing> there's no need but if you want, you can do `git checkout v0.6.2`
16:39 < k3tan> thanks waxwing 
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16:53 < k3tan> the commitmentlist file is in /joinmarket-clientserver/scripts , but there is no corresponding scripts folder in the new .joinmarket directory
16:54 < waxwing> k3tan, ah thanks for pointing out a potential source of confusion
16:54 < waxwing> the directory/file structure that includes commitmentlist is under scripts/ indeed, not under jm-cs/
16:54 < waxwing> so those are the files to copy if you're doing that
16:55 < k3tan> yep, so where am i copying to? /.joinmarket ?
16:55 < waxwing> (technically there's located in whatever is current working directory; but that distinction's only relevant for testing)
16:55 < waxwing> yes as per release notes you should probably just run wallet-tool once to create it
16:56 < waxwing> that is ~/.joinmarket
16:56 < k3tan> i have run wallet-tool.py, it created the .joinmarket directory
16:56 < waxwing> right
16:56 < waxwing> the structure is in the release notes isn't it?
16:56 < k3tan> within the .joinmarket directory, it created a new joinmarket.cfg, wallets folder cmtdata folder and logs folder
16:56 < k3tan> but no scripts folder
16:57 < waxwing> right, it won't.
16:57 < waxwing> so you're copying files from scripts/ local directory into ~/.joinmarket
16:57 < k3tan> excellent, the whole directory you're saying?
16:57 < waxwing> no
16:57 < k3tan> right, just the commitmentlist
16:57 < waxwing> the stuff in the release notes. and you don't have to copy anything apart from the wallet file
16:57 < waxwing> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/blob/master/docs/release-notes/release-notes-0.6.2.md#move-user-data-to-home-directory
16:58 < k3tan> yep, ive copied the wallets, ive copied the cmtdata
16:58 < k3tan> im just moving onto the commitmentlist
16:58 < k3tan> i think i have it now
17:00 < waxwing> i guess i should have said "move" not "copy" the wallet file in the release notes. oh well.
17:00 < waxwing> yeah i can see you get it, sorry it's mildly confusing, but it's just correcting something dumb in our setup.
17:01 < k3tan> just don't want to screw anything up :P
17:02 < waxwing> there isn't anything that can go badly wrong here tbh. if your wallet isn't in the right place it won't find it; the commitments stuff can all be ignored safely.
17:05 < waxwing> hmm well ok that last isn't entirely true, the cmtdata/ folder should be copied over if you're doing taker-side JM only. i think i'll change the wording slightly on that.
17:05 < k3tan> ok looking good now
17:06 < waxwing> i mean it's still safe, it could just result in attempts to create a coinjoin, failing. though even if it happened it would fix itself after a few attempts.
17:06 < k3tan> my cmtdata file was empty with a .gitignore file
17:06 < k3tan> so... as you can see, i haven't been doing much taking :P
17:06 < waxwing> right
17:07 < k3tan> i should probably do just to try it out
17:08 < k3tan> was thinking i'd run the qt on a laptop hooked back to my node on a different machine
17:25 < k3tan> hmm trying to install joinmarket on a fresh linux machine with qt, getting errors on installation. do you think i'm missing some packages?
17:25 < k3tan> ~/joinmarket-clientserver/deps/libffi-3.2.1 ~/joinmarket-clientserver/deps ~/joinmarket-clientserver
17:25 < k3tan> patching file Makefile.am
17:25 < k3tan> patching file configure.ac
17:25 < k3tan> patching file configure.ac
17:25 < k3tan> ./autogen.sh: 2: exec: autoreconf: not found
17:25 < k3tan> ./install.sh: line 204: ./configure: No such file or directory
17:25 < k3tan> make: *** No rule to make target 'uninstall'.  Stop.
17:25 < k3tan> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
17:25 < k3tan> make: *** No rule to make target 'check'.  Stop.
17:25 < k3tan> Libffi was not built. Exiting.
17:27 < k3tan> lol doh
17:40 < kristapsk> k3tan, Ubuntu? which version?
17:41 < k3tan> nope, debian buster
17:49 < kristapsk> ok, in this case no difference
17:50 < kristapsk> either "sudo apt-get autoreconf" or "sudo apt-get dh-autoreconf" is solution, depending on a version of your Debian-based distro
17:50 < kristapsk> https://askubuntu.com/questions/265471/autoreconf-not-found-error-during-making-qemu-1-4-0
17:52 < k3tan> `sudo apt-get install dh-autoreconf` did the trick
17:52 < k3tan> thanks kristapsk 
17:52 < k3tan> i knew it was probably a missing package
17:54 < kristapsk> probably it should be added to install.sh deps, but I'm not an expert on Debian and not sure about this autoreconf vs dh-autoreconf thing
17:54 < kristapsk> guess it can depend from a distro version
17:55 < k3tan> thats true, sudo apt install autoreconf wasn't a package in debian
17:55 < k3tan> so i tried dh-
17:55 < k3tan> it worked
17:55 < k3tan> and now Joinmarket successfully installed
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19:02 < k3tan> success! i have connected joinmarket-qt on my laptop to my bitcoin node at home via Tor!
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