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00:22 < adlai> belcher, waxwing, my view is that fidelity bonds are a step away from fungibility, and a better way to achieve a similar effect with minimal change to the current market design is choosing utxos based on coinage
00:23 < adlai> coinage = "bitcoin days destroyed", although before they've actually been destroyed
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00:24 < adlai> this is an old idea that has been described before, although nobody ever made a complete implementation
00:25 < adlai> perhaps this is within the limits of my attention span, and the time freed up by coronavirus quarantine
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03:01 < belcher> adlai why is that your view
03:04 < belcher> as well as timelocked addresses or burner outputs, fidelity bonds can also be created by old UTXOs as in your idea
03:05 < belcher> iv done calculations on what sybil resistance is provided by fidelity bonds: https://gist.github.com/chris-belcher/87ebbcbb639686057a389acb9ab3e25b with realistic numbers it would cost millions of USD to attack
03:09 < belcher> iirc your old idea of looking at the age of UTXOs isnt compatible with issue 156 and PoDLE
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03:39 < adlai> you've misrepresented my idea
03:40  * adlai abandons the issue until catching up with recent developments
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04:03 < belcher> not intentionally, perhaps misunderstood
04:25 < waxwing> chad2000, is your connection to bitcoind OK? generally connection issues are a possibility, but at first glance i'm not sure what would cause "estimate fee: 0%"
04:26 < waxwing> chad2000, since you're on command line, you may find ~/.joinmarket/logs/TUMBLE.schedule and ~/.joinmarket/logs/TUMBLE.log useful
04:26 < waxwing> the latter is supposed to be a high level summary of progress, although by the sound of it there may not be much there.
04:26 < waxwing> also make sure your console_log_level is DEBUG or, if it wasn't, look at the latest ~/.joinmarket/logs/J5**.log file which will contain the debug log messages for that run.
04:28 < Evanito> hey wax just wanna say thanks for the interesting project
04:31 < waxwing> Evanito, which project? this one? it belongs to belcher if it belongs to anyone (but of course it's a group/open source effort)
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04:33 < belcher> yep, its a free open source software project, i invented it way back but linus trovolds invented linux and only about 3% of linux's code today is his
04:37 < waxwing> belcher, offhand thought: the bitcoinprivacy.me donations - how easy would it be to set up a btcpayserver so people can pay a donation with payjoin?
04:41 < waxwing> been playing around with Kukks' donation server for testing, that's what prompted the thought. just done a second successful one this morning to sanity check a code change.
04:42 < waxwing> it's definitely the quickest coinjoin out there, takes like sub-second. centralized servers have advantages :)
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04:46 < belcher> not a bad idea
04:47 < waxwing> https://btc.donate.kukks.org/ <-- what it looks like, just enter a test amount to see the payment screen. the bip21 uri is in the copy section, and ofc works with or without payjoin.
04:47 < waxwing> but hey such things can be annoying to setup ..  i heard btcpayserver is easy, but i'm always suspicious
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05:44 < tlo1337> i ended up getting yg started (got to JM daemon setup complete after running the script and connecting to both IRC servers). however, not too long after getting it setup, it lost connecting to one of the IRC servers but then got connected to that same server again several minutes later. I haven't noticed any action since then, but i'm just curious if that's normal and it's okay to keep waiting for action? ty
05:59 < kristapsk> tlo1337, yes, that's ok
06:00 < tlo1337> ok thank you i'll keep it running then!
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06:25 < chad2000> waxwing, I was able to send a basic sendpayment with 0 counterparties so I don't think it's my bitcoind connection.  Looking in the log it shows a lot of 'nick signature verification failed, ignoring J...'
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06:38 < waxwing> chad2000, right. have you set up the tor connections to the hidden services of the IRC servers?
06:38 < waxwing> there is an outstanding issue with one of the two defautl IRC servers where if you try to connect to it over the clearnet server, you get those nick verif failures.
06:38 < waxwing> it's an obscure issue with them not implementing the IRC RFC properly.
06:39 < waxwing> we can hack a fix on our side, and i keep asking for someone else to fix it but, oh well :)
06:39 < waxwing> basically almost everyone uses the tor HS connections
06:40 < waxwing> having said that, it *should* be possible to still do a coinjoin even over clearnet, but i'm not 100% sure (would have to think carefully), exactly *how* it would affect the success rate.
06:41 < waxwing> so, in case where you don't want/can't set up a Tor connection, disable one of the two IRC servers over clearnet (whichever one stops all those nick verif failures).
06:41 < waxwing> does anyone remember which server had that problem? AlexCato maybe?
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07:08 < chad2000> waxwing: when I tried to do it over tor the log just showed ' building irc' thats it. I don't know if I setup tor properly though.  I downloaded the tor browser and had it open when I tried to connect, and I uncommentecd the lines beneath 'for tor' in the config
07:13 < chad2000> it still says the estimated fee is 0% though. and one debug line says 'rpc: getnetworkinfo None'.
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07:57 < waxwing> chad2000, show your MESSAGING section irc config settings. also yes your bitcoind rpc connection is clearly not working so that has to be fixed. i'm busy rest of day, perhaps someone else can help further?
08:18 < chad2000> waxwing I think I can probably fix it now that I know where to look. Thanks for your help!
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12:41 < HackRelay> [hackint-irc/user] Do you think I would get more takers as a maker if I set my maker fee to 0?
12:42 < belcher> user: not that likely, as long as your fee isnt too high takers just choose randomly
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14:31 < waxwing> chad2000, if you use tor browser then you have to use a different socks5 configuration. 9051 vs 9050 for the socks5 port .. iirc
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23:56 < HackRelay> [hackint-irc/user] What does could not find orders to complete transaction mean
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