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01:25 < ongo> so I have a few transactions from coinbase, a few from bitstamp, should I just funnel all of them into one address into my joinmarket wallet? Does it matter?
01:49 < ongo> as far as I understood you want to receive in different mixing levels if you have transactions which are separate (not from the same source), but if they all come from KYC exchanges, does it matter?
01:55 < ongo> "By default, tumbler asks for addresses until it has 3 or more." but also this, I'm confused
01:55 < ongo> does more than 3 addresses provide more privacy than just 3? Does the source matter?
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02:47 < qubenix> ongo: it's up to you wheter or not you want to let those utxos be combined. i don't see an issue since i assume exchanges are sharing info anyway. it surely doesn't hurt to put them in different depths.
02:48 < qubenix> tumbler asks for 3 or more destination addresses, not source.
02:50 < qubenix> also forgot to add earlier that your tx won't really scale the way you did your math, because you have different makers will use different number of inputs.
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03:39 < waxwing> dave_uy, re: could it be merged, i honestly don't know, but it can't hurt to open a PR so that people can review the idea.
03:39 < waxwing> i can't help feeling it's a bit weird if virtualenv is actually causing a problem.
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03:40 < waxwing> you mentioned something about space/amount of stuff but it's only really Qt that's very big and that's optional in install.sh anyway
03:40 < ongo> qubenix: okay, this leaves me a bit more confused with estimating cost, how should I estimate then?
03:40 < waxwing> ongo, did you read this? https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/blob/master/docs/tumblerguide.md#a-note-on-fees
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04:25 < dave_uy> waxwing: virtualenv does work in docker. I had it setup with virtualenv in the past. In general virtualenv makes working with the Docker container clunky and is unnecessary. I basically have the choice of dealing with virtualenv activation in Docker, or removing virtualenv on install. Everytime I run a command I would need to go through a script to
04:25 < dave_uy>  turn on virtualenv. Mostly this annoys me when I run `docker exec` which don't use the ENTRYPOINT by default, so I have to explicitly call an entypoint.sh script if using virtualenv.
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05:01 < ongo> waxwing: yes
05:01 < ongo> it's quite unclear how to estimate cost still to me
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06:03 < ongo> like some formula would be helpful, but I just don't quite understand it
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07:12 < zndtoshi> The fidelity bonds concept made me think of something that would be useful to create users in a decentralized messaging system. This way there would be a cost to time lock some btc to create a username but costly to create sockpuppets. Just throwing it out there.
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07:47 < ongo> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/ibcnsv/taproot_coinjoins_and_crossinput_signature/ nice
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09:07 < ongo> qubenix: also https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/wiki/Sourcing-commitments-for-joins#fund-your-wallet-with-multiple-utxos here it says to fund with multiple utxos...
09:08 < ongo> extremely confusing
09:08 < ongo> it even says to do sendtomany in electrum
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09:37 < jules23> waxwing can you help me reproduce the error you talked about here?
09:38 < jules23> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/pull/656#issuecomment-674573340
09:38 < jules23> im currently running obwatcher against ygrunner
09:38 < jules23> im thinking it would be nice to get the fuller fix done ( as you mentioned in that comment )
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10:55 < waxwing> jules23, to actually have the error trigger i believe you have to be in a pit with *both* current and future(bech32) bots, because only then will it pick up offers of name 'swreloffer' and 'sw0reloffer' (and corresponding abs) hence 4 not 2.
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11:52 < waxwing> i put up a prototype Angular app for viewing a Joinmarket wallet in this new repo: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/jmcontrolcenter
11:53 < waxwing> just a start but worth mentioning not least because i'm sure there are people out there who know how to build such things.
11:53 < waxwing> afaict its' very easy to build Electron desktop apps from this (it worked easily enough for me).
11:54 < waxwing> needless to say even if it wasn't only a bare prototype of the idea, there are going to be important issues around security, specifically unlocking the wallet (currently just POST over TLS for password, but obv that's just to start).
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12:35 < jules23> waxwing ok sounds good thanks
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13:12 < waxwing> ongo, use the docs/ directory, see https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/blob/master/docs/SOURCING-COMMITMENTS.md
13:15 < ongo> waxwing: I already read through it at least twice
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