--- Log opened Fri Oct 23 00:00:55 2020 00:34 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.161.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:08 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has joined #joinmarket 01:21 -!- asymptotically [~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically] has joined #joinmarket 01:22 -!- wxss [~user@mail.deeplinkmedia.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:23 -!- wxss [~user@mail.deeplinkmedia.com] has joined #joinmarket 01:29 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.162.74] has joined #joinmarket 01:31 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 01:35 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:14 -!- davterra [~davterra@gateway/tor-sasl/tralfaz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14 -!- waxwing__ [~waxwing@81-178-153-121.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #joinmarket 03:16 -!- waxwing_ 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#joinmarket 03:58 -!- willcl_ark [~quassel@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #joinmarket 04:11 -!- waxwing__ is now known as waxwing 04:11 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@81-178-153-121.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:11 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@unaffiliated/waxwing] has joined #joinmarket 04:11 < waxwing> jmcurious is no longer here, but since this is logged: 04:12 < waxwing> i think the fair answer is somewhat yes, somewhat no. the cj outputs are not directly linked with the source, so you can't infer directly that mixdepth 1 is the same identity as mixdepth/account 0 04:12 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.162.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:13 < waxwing> but within one account, you *generally* but certainly not always can link all those utxos together. 04:13 < waxwing> the pattern you're talking about would therefore be an inference, one which in certain circumstances *could* be strong. i wrote quite a bit about it, years ago, here: 04:13 < waxwing> https://github.com/AdamISZ/JMPrivacyAnalysis/blob/master/tumbler_privacy.md#mapping-closure-graphs-in-transactions 04:14 < waxwing> it's one of a number of things about joinmarket's tx graph and tumblers specifically, that is way worse if you consider a single tumbler run, in isolation, with no other joins, and with makers never operating as takers 04:20 < waxwing> (assuming people don't read that linked document, i should clarify the statement "you generally but not always can link the utxos in an account" - whenever you sweep the account you break the linkage, and it's always possible to have isolated subsets being linked even between sweeps, and not just have all of them linked) 04:28 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:32 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 04:34 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:35 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] 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