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04:40 < waxwing> openoms, ping
04:41 < undeath> meanwhile EU is pushing to backdoor encryption once again
04:42 < waxwing> undeath, yes true. are you in the right channel? :)
04:42 < waxwing> openoms, i can't reproduce the obwatch thing, in case you're here.
04:42 < undeath> just a generic rant
04:42 < waxwing> well, relevant enough, i guess
04:48 < undeath> the council draft would remove more privacy from everyone than joinmarket will ever grant
04:50 < waxwing> well.. joinmarket is exactly that class of software that people will create in response to such a law, if it takes effect. i'm not sure what can be done in a society that seems to think individual liberty is a very low priority.
04:51 < undeath> I suppose many people just don't realise the implications of such actions
04:51 < waxwing> personally i'm very keen on steganographic approaches, everyone just poo-poos it as a not very workable approach in crypto, but to my mind it's more a base requirement. no matter how low bandwidth what you get is, there is no arguing with the leviathan, you have to work outside its scope.
04:53 < waxwing> bitcoin is a bit different (but certainly not completely) in that it has an actual defence, being centerless and re-ified with PoW, but even there making stuff not have a fingerprint is clearly better where possible
04:53 < undeath> with the ever-growing bandwidth available stenography actually becomes much more useful for lots of cases, especially the exchange of small-ish data pieces and messages
04:53 < waxwing> but back on topic, steganography overlays for peer to peer messaging would be so cool
04:53 < waxwing> yeah
04:54 < waxwing> the best version is where you can use actually random streams
04:54 < waxwing> what would be funny is if DRM created encrypted streams of data that are random that allowed people to overlay decent-bandwidth stega without any statistical fingerprints
04:55 < undeath> hah, i like that idea
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05:53 < openoms> @waxwing don't know why it seems to be an issue I can't get rid of. Anyone else running on testnet with PR656? Does your ob-watcher.py run succcessfully?
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06:56 < waxwing> openoms, do you see a "joined pit" message?
06:56 < waxwing> i wonder if because of the large number of bots, i remember belcher at some point switched on some kind of password only access to the channel, maybe it just can't join
06:57 < waxwing> openoms, i just tried to join: Cannot join #joinmarket-pit-test (Requires keyword)
06:57 < waxwing> i actually can't remember the keyword, lol
06:57 < waxwing> anyway it works fine on mainnet
07:13 < belcher> zero bots in the testnet channel
07:13 < belcher> ill remove the keyword i think
07:15 < belcher> the keyword is "secretkey" (id also forgotten what it is but grepped my logs)
07:16 < waxwing> heh
07:16 < waxwing> but wait, which server? darkscience, hackint, both?
07:17 < belcher> both
07:17 < belcher> i just removed hackint
07:17 < waxwing> right, i just saw
07:18 < waxwing> yeah unlocking it now makes sense, people might want to do some last minute tests of the latest commit before merge
07:18 < belcher> yes yes, and all those bots are gone
07:19 < belcher> removed key also on darkscience
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07:31 < openoms> @belcher thanks. That fixed it. ob-watcher running and my offer is up: http://t4yapmtli72jnmdvntazv3qv5vm22uiwg7olzksmbbhbqqwwmto7p7yd.onion/
07:32 < belcher> np, hopefully those bots wont come back (although then again its not like they do a huge amount of harm, its just not very respectful to waste resources like that)
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15:21 < waxwing> belcher, i think you didn't change hackint topic for 0.7.2
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15:48 < belcher> waxwing changing now
15:48 < belcher> done
15:49 < waxwing> belcher, thanks
15:50 < waxwing> there are 40 bots in the test pit again. i'll check it again tomorrow.
15:50 < waxwing> note https://x0f.org/web/statuses/105182947408177257 and my reply if you didn't see it there or on twitter
16:12 < belcher> is that link correct? it redirects me
16:13 < belcher> maybe i need to login, sec
16:13 < waxwing> oh hmm that's a concern.. i think nothingmuch said something similar to me recently
16:14 < waxwing> i assumed, it seems wrongly, that those were 'absolute' links that anyone could clink
16:14 < waxwing> it shoudl be an openoms post with me responding
16:14 < belcher> logging in shows me it
16:15 < waxwing> hmm i could have sworn i got that to work from a non-logged in browser. let me try again.
16:16 < waxwing> yeah it works fine in my chromium where i've never logged in
16:16 < waxwing> oh but it redirects to https://bitcoinhackers.org/@openoms/105182947022811434
16:16 < waxwing> which is intentional, but .. confusing
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