--- Log opened Sat Jan 23 00:00:24 2021 00:09 -!- mryandao_ [~mryandao@gateway/tor-sasl/mryandao] has joined #joinmarket 00:11 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #joinmarket 00:12 -!- mryandao [~mryandao@gateway/tor-sasl/mryandao] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:12 -!- dc81_ [~dc81@96.44.143.234] has joined #joinmarket 00:13 -!- dc81 [~dc81@unaffiliated/dc81] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:09 -!- tiker[m] [tikerfunky@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-isyqrafdcjgjagrq] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:10 -!- martindale [ericfabric@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ihcbibcnfzzrwzyh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21 -!- martindale [ericfabric@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-achtfelutgdbxird] has joined #joinmarket 02:53 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03 -!- tiker[m] [tikerfunky@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ubzsqyxhqeggrspi] has joined #joinmarket 03:11 -!- mryandao_ is now known as mryanado 03:20 -!- Leonora86Watsica [~Leonora86@static.57.1.216.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined #joinmarket 03:32 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 03:35 -!- jonatack [~jon@109.232.227.138] has joined #joinmarket 04:04 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 04:05 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 05:04 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hngxzoivlrvdpcaz] has joined #joinmarket 07:10 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher 07:11 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 07:16 < belcher> paper about privacy in LN https://twitter.com/GeorgeKappos/status/1352969635679920131 07:16 < belcher> they're already using the name "private channel" which in many cases they're actually less private, "unannounced channels" is a better name 07:32 < belcher> just skimmed the whole thing, its not any particularly new stuff we didnt know before 09:23 < waxwing> belcher, thanks; yes a lot of those ideas are not new afaik, as you say ... section 3.2 talking about identifying private channels is quite interesting 09:23 < belcher> yeah its blockchain analysis 09:23 < waxwing> using on-chain is fundamentally of course only a heuristic; it happens to be almost completely right for now because LN doesn't share anon set with anything else 09:23 < waxwing> that should change in future 09:23 < belcher> living on borrowed time since schnorr and musig are coming 09:24 < belcher> one thing not mentioned in that paper is how unannounced channels reveal that a payment is really from the other party 09:25 < belcher> e.g. if you're a LN node and a payment comes to you via an announced channel, it might be from the other node or it could be a payment that the other node is merely relaying 09:25 < belcher> if a payment comes via an unannounced channel then it for sure came from the other node 09:26 < waxwing> interesting point, yeah 09:27 < waxwing> i mean it's just for graph edges, not for routing 09:27 < waxwing> maybe there's some weird trick where it could be used for routing, but current setup of LN makes that impossible (source routing) 09:29 < belcher> also the only way to tell whether an address is a 2of2 multisig is when its already been spent from, and at that point its not a LN channel anymore 09:29 < belcher> but yes there arent that many p2wsh addresses out there 09:32 < waxwing> right 10:11 -!- azizLIGHT [~azizLIGHT@unaffiliated/azizlight] has joined #joinmarket 10:49 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #joinmarket 11:15 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #joinmarket 11:24 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25 -!- Leonora86Watsica [~Leonora86@static.57.1.216.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:28 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #joinmarket 12:28 -!- rdymac [uid31665@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hngxzoivlrvdpcaz] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:13 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 17:57 -!- HackRelay [~jmrelayha@p5de4a77c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:57 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p5de4a77c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:04 -!- HackRelay [~jmrelayha@p3ee3888b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:09 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p3ee3888b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 21:37 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 21:39 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:07 -!- asy [~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically] has joined #joinmarket 22:08 -!- asymptotically [~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] --- Log closed Sun Jan 24 00:00:25 2021