--- Log opened Tue May 18 00:00:38 2021
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06:53 < waxwing> undeath, belcher as a sort of tentative starting point towards #415 i'm putting together a message channel implementation based on the now-existing onion infrastructure in jmbase. i.e. a pure P2P setup where participants just gossip offers and peers. it is definitely not going to be workable but interesting to test.
06:53 < waxwing> then modifications might allow it to shift over to the kind of design described at the end of that issue. of course, this is an optimistic viewpoint :)
06:54 < waxwing> i mainly for now just want to make sure that the alternative message channel implementation can work as intended.
06:55 < waxwing> (by "not workable" i mean it needs the extra parts: something like directory servers, and fidelity bonds too and other stuff)
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07:06 < undeath> cool, thanks for tackling this! with fidelity bonds it's going to be a little easier than described even
07:14 < waxwing> undeath, yes i agree fidelity bonds (ring sigs or not!) are going to make it a lot more practical. but the basic infrastructure of JM-messaging over onion is what i'm tinkering with for now.
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07:24 < belcher> waxwing cool
07:25 < belcher> the directory servers could be simple http servers, we could create them by using python's simplehttpserver and implementing something like the POST method
07:28 < waxwing> oh yes it's not difficult; indeed i'm already reusing our existing mini-http-server object that we have for BIP78, in my setup.
07:29 < waxwing> with the directory servers it probably needs a little more thought but - i think not much. you'll need some anti-dos features for all of it, fidelity bonds will be a big help there.
07:29 < waxwing> but .. let's see what pans out.
07:30 < belcher> fidelity bonds can be used for makers who use them, the current design allows for makers who dont have fbonds
07:30 < belcher> maybe we could use PoW for makers who dont have fidelity bonds
07:30 < belcher> if the directory servers get DOSed they could turn off the PoW and just accept fidelity bonds
07:31 < undeath> or a PoS as described
07:32 < waxwing> sorry i'm not up to speed, how is PoS different from FB?
07:32 < undeath> it's not timelocked
07:32 < waxwing> ok
07:32 < belcher> so just reveal a single-sig UTXO?
07:32 < undeath> yes
07:32 < belcher> yeah that works too
08:01 < belcher> i posted a comment on issue 415 about how the whole idea relies on tor and thinking about alternatives
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