--- Log opened Thu Jul 15 00:00:01 2021 --- Day changed Thu Jul 15 2021 00:00 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/M​ister] is there any guide on how to use jm with ck bunker? 00:44 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/o​penoms] Mister: what are you looking to do exactly? 00:44 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/o​penoms] JM is a hot wallet, so importing the seed to a HWW makes less sense, but can set up some spend limits with CKBunker (Re: is there any guide on how...) 01:01 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 01:18 -!- undeath [~undeath@user/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 01:25 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:26 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 02:29 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:46 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 02:55 < waxwing> re: having the telegram bridged here, i'm not sure. i can definitely see a benefit but (a) yeah if it's *very* high traffic it'll be difficult to have dev conversations and (b) remember this channel is logged at gnusha.org, don't know how telegram users feel about that. 02:55 < waxwing> on balance i think i prefer to have it than not to have it. 03:06 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/M​ister] openoms: was wondering if it is possible to configure ckbunker that utxos only get signed for coinjoins but not for withdrawl. so noone can hack my rpi and steal the funds of the hot wallet (Re: what are you looking to d...) 03:08 < openoms[m]> external signing for coinjoins is not possible yet, but have a look in the JM issues for related discussions 03:12 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:14 -!- davterra [~davterra@143.244.186.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:14 -!- davterra [~davterra@143.244.186.214] has joined #joinmarket 03:25 < waxwing> belcher, any updates on that timelocks change? i'm travelling next couple of days but i'll be up for testing/reviewing as soon as it's there. 03:25 < belcher> im still reading code figuring out what changes to make, i think im done with that soon and will begin writing code today 03:28 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 03:33 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/n​yxnor] deflation the bot is quadruplicating the messages 03:34 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/o​penoms] deflation: so the bot currently it quadruples the messages from IRC to Telegram. 03:34 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/o​penoms] I think it makes sense to keep the dev conversations on IRC and mainly users here in TG separate. Both are publicly readable, but IRC is also logged. (Re: hey! thanks for trying to...) 04:06 < belcher> i also think the telegram bot and other bridges are basically useless, people can already join other chats themselves if they want to 04:07 < belcher> plus all this bridging can make moderation harder, for example what happens if a spammer joins the oftc and starts flooding, that flooding would be relayed to all the other chats but only the mod on oftc would be able to do something about it 04:08 < belcher> relaying is only useful for going between the hackint IRC which supports tor and the main channel on libera, that relaying allows people to talk to devs anonymously over tor 04:16 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/o​penoms] ok, didn't remove the @JMiRCbot just yet, but stopped it 05:52 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Belc​her: to your concerns about spam, what I actually took care as far as I thought it necessary. There is FloodServ bot in oftc muting spam, and the bridgebot just in case, Detach any channels when flooded to many message in short delay and not relay further. 06:08 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] The channel there on oftc should not be a "replacement" or to attract any people to stay anyway and I think it won't, so the topic refers to libera&hackint irc, but merely incidental to the jm pit, which might look like a botnet to the uninformed? 07:12 -!- undeath [~undeath@user/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.1] 07:53 < waxwing> on the irc topic, does anyone know why there's a bot in #joinmarket-pit-sig called 'ChanFix' that keeps saying that nicks should be opped? 07:53 < waxwing> (on hackint) 08:22 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/s45rutz7e] Do you need oper there? 08:30 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/m​00ninite] do we know of anyone that's publicly trying to unwind coinjoins, for research purposes? 08:37 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/d​eflation] Not that I know what that would be intention for this, what makes you think that? all coinjoin transaction on blockchain can be found easily with snicker tool in your scripts folder 08:37 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/o​penoms] m00ninite: like Oxt research? (Re: do we know of anyone...) 08:38 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/o​penoms] Samourai Wallet employed folks: https://www.oxtresearch.com/ 08:38 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/m​00ninite] nice 08:39 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/m​00ninite] deflation: attacking privacy software is the best way to improve it (Re: Not that I know what...) 09:14 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:14 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 09:39 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/u​ser56343] what is this 10:20 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/S​ynthLock] https://kycp.org/#/ analyzes coinjoins 10:41 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/m​aryamlac] 10 10:51 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:04 -!- gene [~gene@gateway/tor-sasl/gene] has joined #joinmarket 11:36 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 12:28 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:55 -!- gene [~gene@gateway/tor-sasl/gene] has quit [Quit: gene] 13:14 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 15:32 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-87-0-179-204.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:39 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/K​ISBitcoin] How do you use the wallet-tool.py freeze option ? Do I have to put the entire path of the UTXO after the freeze command ? 16:56 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@user/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 16:59 -!- belcher [~belcher@user/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:53 < xyy> I'm curious, are there any other #joinmarket-pit channels besides the 3 default one and the 4th one that is being discussed on Github? 17:53 < xyy> also, what exactly is the problem with the 3rd channel / server from the example config ... it says it's been unreliable ... how? 17:54 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Agora is working fine. but it is still v2 onion. I suggested to add oftc as 4rd redundancy pit. 17:55 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] But in case you are the same x_y guy, you may already know 17:55 < xyy> I make it tough but not impossible to know 17:57 < xyy> yes the "4th one that is being discussed on Github" was referring to the OFTC one 17:57 < xyy> is it gaining traction? last time I tried to join it told me that it didn't like my Tor 17:57 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Yep, but the 3rd that was added previously would be to prefer. that is agora irc. 17:58 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Unfortunately the agora irc did not publish their oniion service v3 onion and v2 reachability will expire very soon. 17:59 < xyy> wasn't joinmarket supposed to get its own protocol at some point? what happened to that? still being worked on? 17:59 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] I believe that agora was once commented out from defaults because it was blamed to be unreliable. 17:59 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Actually I did not see any uptime issues for it at all. bonus: it even supports both I2P + Tor connectifity at the same time. 18:00 < xyy> how would I connect with both at the same time? you mean if I have two bots? 18:00 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Why it didn't like tor? oftc is officially tor friendly. but if you have a server status notice, please add comment to the github issue 18:01 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/pull/920 18:02 < xyy> just told me that I was banned... didn't keep trying 18:02 < xyy> maybe just one bad exit 18:02 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Xyy: I mean it offers both ways to connect. not that you connect twice. 18:02 < xyy> gotcha. that's great, big fan of I2P. 18:03 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] So even for users that cannot use or want to use tor can still connect by I2P and talk to other tor jm clients 18:03 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Makes it ultimatively robust, redundancy and anti-censorship 18:04 < xyy> this is a bit off-topic, but one thing I've been wondering, now that bitcoin core supports I2P and you can have I2P and Tor on at the same time ... how does it ensure that you're not connected to everyone twice? 18:04 < xyy> just a numbers game? 18:05 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] If agora would become default again, JM Tor Takers could trade with JM I2P Makers and vice versa for taker/maker roles :) 18:07 < xyy> well have you suggested it on Github? people still think it's unreliable? 18:07 < xyy> I2P support seems like a big pro that joinmarket would want to have 18:09 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Suggested i2p ? no. 18:09 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] If oftc it's actually unreliable, we do not want to use it until it supports onions directly. in that case please add review anyway. 18:10 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] "joinmarket supposed to get its own protocol" they could talk p2p over onions like other anonymous p2p oderbook do it already? 18:10 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/415 18:12 < xyy> yes saw this issue a while ago... but it's REAALLY old. need to see if there are new comments. 18:14 < xyy> assumed people had decided that IRC is good enough (which it might be) 18:17 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Yes and it is. quote: "for coinjoin bots we would never be relying on the authentication of the communication channel anyway; our bot names function like onion names, i.e. they're pubkey encodings and we require signatures on every message." 18:19 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] So irc is not bad. but need make sure connectivity. 18:21 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] Current default is two pits only and one throttles msgs often. 2 is better than 1 but it is the place where all users need to meet. this is important to be avaiable at all time. whereever it may be 19:37 < Evanito[m]> Since the convo is popping up again I better suggest an IPFS GossipSub channel 19:47 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [oftc/c​oinjoin] The irc will get constantly more spammy with more and more user and next with fidelity bonds offers need begin split messages at least 20:56 -!- davterra [~davterra@143.244.186.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:59 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/g​odlovesrobots] when i run a single CJ, it seems like i have makers waiting to take the CJ. Then when I click "Yes" i get a transaction aborted message. Is this normal? : 20:59 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/g​odlovesrobots] 21:12 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/d​eflation] godlovesrobots: You blacked the second picture to less, I guess. (Re: ) 21:27 -!- davterra [~davterra@178.128.106.205] has joined #joinmarket 21:47 -!- davterra [~davterra@178.128.106.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:20 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/m​00ninite] godlovesrobots: happens a ton for me.. I usually have to try 5 or 6 times before I actually get a cj. For whatever reason, a lot of peers' coins aren't available (Re: ) 22:20 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/g​odlovesrobots] m00ninite: gotcha. thank you! (Re: happens a ton for me...) 22:21 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/m​00ninite] I dunno if there's a log you can read that tells you more info other than "transaction aborted" 22:21 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/m​00ninite] I'm used to using the command line 22:23 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/g​odlovesrobots] very cool. just got my first one to go thru. the aqua teen hunger force vibes made it happen 22:23 -!- davterra [~davterra@143.244.186.214] has joined #joinmarket 22:26 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/Bridged] [telegram/m​00ninite] godlovesrobots: 🔥 (Re: very cool. just got ...) 22:56 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-79-42-191-115.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #joinmarket 23:31 -!- jungly [~jungly@host-79-42-191-115.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:47 -!- belcher_ is now known as belcher --- Log closed Fri Jul 16 00:00:08 2021