--- Log opened Tue Jul 27 00:00:21 2021
00:45 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] pillar_of_indra: try rebooting again
00:45 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] btw here is the script: https://github.com/openoms/joininbox/blob/master/build_joininbox.sh
00:45 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] has it finished(did you see the last messages)?
00:45 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] try ssh in with the joinmarket user and use the default password :
00:45 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] joininbox
00:45 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] you will be prompted to change the password on the first start (edit) (Re: I tried to install Joininbox on the Raspibolt usin...)
00:47 < openoms[m]> sorry, apparently when I edit for typos the JMiRCbot reposts the message line by line.
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01:42 < JMBridge> [telegram/pillar_of_indra] openoms: My router does not even see the Pi. I re-plugged the Pi several times, to no avail. I've got most of the output log from the installation. After that, I logged in as joinmarket, set up the new password as asked for, and then it did a few things and warned that a reboot was needed (I think that;s the lest message I saw). (Re: try rebooting again
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01:42 < JMBridge> [telegram/pillar_of_indra] btw here is the script: https:...)
01:43 < JMBridge> [telegram/pillar_of_indra] There was something about partitioning a disk, was it the SD card? could that have anything to do with the issue..?
03:53 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] pillar_of_indra: yes, the sdcard is extended to the size of the card. Using the script from.the raspberry os.
03:53 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] Cab you read the card on the desktop? Could it be an SDcard issue?
03:53 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] You have a disk attached right? (Re: There was something about partitioning a disk, was...)
03:54 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] pillar_of_indra: yes, the partition is extended to the size of the card using the script from the raspberry os.
03:54 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] Can you read the card on the (linux) desktop? Could it be an SDcard issue?
03:54 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] You have a disk attached right?
03:54 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] Probably best to debug in an issue. Feel free to open one at joininbox (edit) (Re: There was something about partitioning a disk, was...)
03:56 < JMBridge> [telegram/pillar_of_indra] openoms: Ok, thanks, I'll do that. (Re: yes, the partition is extended to the size of the ...)
03:58 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] your base image is the 32bit Raspberry OS, right?
03:58 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] That was even tested with the script but I prefer the pure debian
03:59 < JMBridge> [telegram/openoms] other thing is you can attach a HDMI display to see if it boots up at all
06:03 < JMBridge> [telegram/pillar_of_indra] openoms: 32 bit Raspberry Pi OS Lite yes. I don;t have a microHDMI cable so can't check that yet... I opened an issue in the Joininbox repo: https://github.com/openoms/joininbox/issues/62 (Re: your base image is the 32bit Raspberry OS, right?
06:03 < JMBridge> [telegram/pillar_of_indra] ...)
06:05 < JMBridge> [telegram/pillar_of_indra] openoms: 32 bit Raspberry Pi OS Lite yes. I don;t have a microHDMI cable so can't check that yet... I can read the SD card on my Windows (it took a few attempts though) and navigate the directories. I opened an issue in the Joininbox repo: https://github.com/openoms/joininbox/issues/62 (edit) (Re: your base image is the 32bit Raspberry OS, right?
06:05 < JMBridge> [telegram/pillar_of_indra] ...)
08:06 < waxwing> I've merged #937 and #942 as they fix up the Qt wallet to be able to read and display FB wallets (but not create FBs), so relevant to 0.9.0 (maybe one more minor commit to docs to say Qt supports this).
08:06 < waxwing> i'm going to check/test/review consequences of #938 but i think it makes sense to not merge it before 0.9.0 release kristapsk
08:07 < waxwing> similarly, #932 #926 #921 #916 should be pushed out after 0.9.0 i think
08:09 < waxwing> a few more refactoring PRs like #900 #914 similarly i'm putting off myself. i'm not sure but we maybe should have already reviewed and decided on #900 but i just didn't find time for it myself.
08:09 < waxwing> any objections to release in say 4-6 days?
08:09 < waxwing> ping belcher undeath kristapsk
08:11 < belcher> no objections from me
08:12 < undeath> i'm not quite in the loop, esp with all the qt updates. if you think it's good to release i have no objections
08:13 < waxwing> belcher, as well as above mentioned (mention that Qt can read FB wallets in docs), maybe we can add an item to the bullet point list in README.md "Wallet features"?
08:14 < waxwing> like "creation of timelocked outputs for fidelity bonds" or whatnot
08:15 < belcher> i suggest "uses fidelity bonds for protection against sybil attacks"
08:15 < belcher> want me to write a PR that adds it?
08:21 < waxwing> belcher, if you wouldn't mind, yes please, also add somewhere (probably Joinmarket-Qt-guide.md or fidelity-bonds.md or both) that they can be opened there. Or .. maybe not needed.
08:21 < waxwing> i mean by default you'd expect to be able to open any wallet.
08:21 < waxwing> w/e no big deal
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08:38 < belcher> waxwing i have opened a PR
08:57 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/kristapsk] waxwing, agree with #938 to be merged after 0.9.0 release
08:57 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/kristapsk] but #920 is something that should be merged IMO
08:58 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/kristapsk] adding another IRC server to default config will definitely not break anything
08:59 < undeath> not sure if adding a server with no onion url is something that should be encouraged
08:59 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/kristapsk] will try to do some additional testing on current master this week just in case
09:01 < belcher> way back in ~2015 i tried to only add irc networks which offer both clearnet and tor, networks which support both are quite rare, but now i realize theres no point trying try to support clearnet because nobody should use it... so using irc networks which are tor-only is also pretty find, and they are more common
09:01 < belcher> also pretty fine*
09:02 < undeath> fair enough, it just seems to encourage new users to not bother setting up tor at all
09:03 < belcher> i think im agreeing with you about no point adding networks which support clearnet
09:03 < belcher> i suppose oftc doesnt explicitly support tor? they just allow tor exit nodes to join... though i guess thats equivalent to explicitly supporting it because there must be so much spam coming from tor exit nodes
09:04 < undeath> haha, yes, indeed. i read that as "networks that allow connections via tor exit nodes work too"
09:04 < belcher> bbl gotta run
09:04 < belcher> i have no strong opinions on oftc either way
09:05 < undeath> i agree, i'd rather add tor-only networks than clearnet-only networks that (sometimes) tolerate tor connections
09:57 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] With memepool fees so low at 1 sat/vB. Im doing a CJ but it wants to use absolute max fee value, to something like 256/vB. With .2% fee as well.
09:58 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] Cant i get a lower fee rate for a CJ because its low right now?
10:12 < JMBridge> [telegram/curemici] ThePresidents: Use bitcoin-cli estimatefees. Try # of blocks until a reasonable fee appears. Then put this figure in JM config. Fee evaluation in bitcoin-cli seems a bit off level. This was my work-around. (Re: Cant i get a lower fee rate for a CJ because its l...)
10:24 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] curemici: Hmm interesting (Re: Use bitcoin-cli estimatefees. Try # of blocks unti...)
10:36 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] Do you replace the absolute fee in the config with a different value?
10:36 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] Do you replace the absolute fee in the config with a different value? @curemici , what values have you seen been successful? (edit)
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11:16 < JMBridge> [telegram/PulpCattel] ThePresidents: Can you clarify what fees are you referring to? Would be useful if you write the exact name of the setting you are referring to, otherwise it's hard to communicate.
11:16 < JMBridge> [telegram/PulpCattel] Absolute fee (called max_cj_fee_abs) has nothing to do with miner fees, it is the max fee you are willing to pay to a maker. (Same with relative)
11:16 < JMBridge> [telegram/PulpCattel] tx_fees is the one related to miner fees and you can set it to whatever you want. (Re: With memepool fees so low at 1 sat/vB. Im doing a ...)
11:27 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] absurd_fee_per_kb
11:28 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] I just checked the config. #Max_cj_fee_abs = X still has the hashtag before it
11:37 < belcher> cant you just set "tx_fee = 1000" or something to get 1 sat/vb
11:37 < JMBridge> [telegram/PulpCattel] ThePresidents: I mentioned the absolute fee because your initial post mentioned "absolute max fee".
11:37 < JMBridge> [telegram/PulpCattel] If you were referring to absurd_fee_per_kb, then there should be no problem using the default, you can set your fee to 1 sat/vb. (Re: absurd_fee_per_kb)
11:37 < waxwing> belcher, not sub 1200 please :)
11:38 < waxwing> i mean i would never use anywhere near that low anyway personally, but 20% randomization. although the code does prevent below min relay now.
11:39 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] So what should the absurb fee per kb, be set too?
11:39 < waxwing> to whatever is way beyond what you consider reasonable, i guess
11:39 < waxwing> it's a sanity check, specifically for the case of block targetting
11:39 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] This is what gets me confused with tje fees in the settings
11:40 < waxwing> like if you usually use 5 block targets, it could go super high
11:40 < waxwing> so that can be a ceiling
11:40 < belcher> waxwing is there a max(1000, ...) somewhere in the code?
11:40 < waxwing> if you use sats/vbyte targetting it shouldn't ever trigger
11:40 < waxwing> belcher, there's a setting that prevents it falling below what the minrelay rpc returns
11:40 < waxwing> kristapsk will remember because pretty sure he did it, but it's in the bitcoincoreinterface ofc
11:43 < JMBridge> [telegram/C4rl0s5] /balance@lntxbot
11:44 < JMBridge> [telegram/C4rl0s5] /command1@
11:44 < waxwing> ThePresidents i realise it's on the confusing side, but it's giving a lot of control. it addresses: a minimum for relay, a maximum for sanity, setting by block or by exact value, *and* randomization to avoid watermark
11:45 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/kristapsk] txfee is prevented to fall balow mempoolminfee (which at current low mempool environment is the same as minrelaytxfee)
11:47 <+JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/kristapsk] estimate_fee_per_kb() in jmclient/jmclient/blockchaininterface.py
11:47 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] I get your concept behind it. Im trying to figure out what fees i should use and adjust to not overpay, in times of low fees. And when lookong at config file, theres a few references to fees and what goes where (Re: [libera/waxwing] ThePresidents i realise it's on t...)
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12:18 < doomsday27> can someone tell me if #bitcoin on freenode is still run by the community or it's run by freenode network admins now? 
12:18 < JMBridge> [telegram/FeedMyTummy] Can choose taker fee explicitly in JoinInBox. Punching in an explicit fee, such as 4.2, is less confusing to me. And, depending on when or why I am sending my time preference can vary widely so punching it in every time suits my usage better.
12:40 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] No idea
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13:14 < waxwing> you can set --txfee on command line, or set the same value in `tx_fees` in joinmarket.cfg. e.g. if you set 4500 it means 4500 sat/vbyte but varied by a max of 20% from that figure to prevent watermarking transactions with the same fee.
13:15 < doomsday27> what network is the real #bitcoin?
13:16 < belcher> libera #bitcoin is the real one
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14:37 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] Ty sir. Will try later (Re: [libera/waxwing] you can set --txfee on command li...)
14:46 < JMBridge> [telegram/PulpCattel] 4500 means 4.5 sat/vbyte and 4500 sat/vkb (Re: [libera/waxwing] you can set --txfee on command li...)
14:49 < waxwing> oh yes, sorry lol
16:23 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] Senator Warren: Crypto Puts Financial System in the Hands of 'Shadowy Super-Coders’
16:23 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] yo friends, get ready for the War on Crypto Terrorism
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17:26 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] frog6o: Its been coming for a while (Re: yo friends, get ready for the War on Crypto Terror...)
17:52 < JMBridge> [telegram/m00ninite] Shadowy super-coders. LOL
17:52 < JMBridge> [telegram/m00ninite] They really just add super to the beginning of anything they don’t like
17:54 < JMBridge> [telegram/m00ninite] Also yes that was the point, thanks for noticing. We’ll take it from here
18:22 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] thank you, Mr. Shadowy Super Coder
19:19 < JMBridge> [telegram/Gbbhhu] 3
19:50 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] Its ok, im with the govt and im here to help.
19:51 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] frog6o: This is as real as her being Native American.  Hahaha (Re: Senator Warren: Crypto Puts Financial System in th...)
19:53 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] Its nice to know im a shadowy super coder because i can copy and paste in CLI. Maybe i can add that title to my business card.
19:53 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] The Presidents
19:53 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] LN Node Operator
19:53 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] Self Sovereign Bank
19:54 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] BTFD
19:54 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] Shadowy Super Coder
19:58 < JMBridge> [telegram/m00ninite] ThePresidents: Hell yea (Re: Its nice to know im a shadowy super coder because ...)
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20:43 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] ThePresidents: I agree but I’ve always been ignored when I brought up the topic … no matter what platform …. people don’t like to think about stuff that inconvenient (Re: Its been coming for a while)
20:43 < JMBridge> [telegram/Nehtalen] 11
20:43 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] but now it’s really really obvious where we are moving
20:45 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] eventually there will be no choice but to go after the people who create the tech, there will be no centralized entity to take down
20:46 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] every BlockFi that they rekt makes Bitcoin more resilient, because more people realize that they started a war
20:46 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] and re-prioritize accordingly
20:48 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] and once they’ve rekted all BlockFis, they’ll arrive at conclusion 2, which is that BlockFi only existed because the threat was not apparent
20:49 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] I’m still waiting for someone to tell me why I’m talking psychotic BS, but all I get is silence … for years …
20:49 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] wake up, or wake me up
20:51 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] frog6o: Ive always talked it, but same, maximalist didnt want to hear it (Re: I agree but I’ve always been ignored when I brough...)
20:51 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] The only end game for govt is after miners
20:52 < JMBridge> [telegram/frog6o] or devs, because miners won’t mine forever without maintenance
20:53 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] I mentioned here despite @openoms disagreement with me. They will come after CJs. Feds wont care how you use the term or how the tech works. Its easier for them to lump you in as a money transmitter because you facilitate CJs
20:54 < JMBridge> [telegram/ThePresidents] frog6o: You will always have rogue devs becuase its easier to ru  in their part. Harder for miners if their shit gets seized or they have to look for new homes (Re: or devs, because miners won’t mine forever without...)
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