--- Log opened Thu Aug 26 00:00:49 2021 00:18 < Fontaine> well I think I've answered this question myself after seeing that the only time the field changes is when there are multiple offers in one message. cheers 00:34 -!- Fontaine [~Fontaine@182.253.98.196] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 00:38 -!- Fontaine [~Fontaine@182.253.98.196] has joined #joinmarket 00:46 -!- Fontaine [~Fontaine@182.253.98.196] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 01:06 < waxwing> yup, 0 is the index for the bot, so usually zero 01:22 -!- JMBridged [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 01:22 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Quit: Bridge selfdestructed.] 01:22 -!- JMBridged is now known as JMBridge 01:29 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@nonplayercharacter.me] has joined #joinmarket 01:29 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@nonplayercharacter.me] has quit [Changing host] 01:29 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@user/deanguss] has joined #joinmarket 01:53 -!- shiza [~admin@ec2-52-208-131-13.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: maintenance] 02:15 -!- shiza [~admin@ec2-52-208-131-13.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #joinmarket 02:36 < nixbitcoindev[m]> Is there any downside to activating fidelity bonds in the `genwallet.py` script by default? 02:41 < belcher> im not aware of genwallet.py? do you mean wallet-tool.py maybe 02:41 < belcher> the downside would be that takers dont need fidelity bonds... although takers could still generate the addresses in their wallets and then just never use them 02:53 -!- undeath [~undeath@user/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 02:58 < nixbitcoindev[m]> "im not aware of genwallet.py? do..." <- Check in the scripts dir, I wrote that script for automated wallet generation 03:02 -!- k3tan [~pi@user/k3tan] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:03 < nixbitcoindev[m]> "the downside would be that..." <- Yeah, the goal is to have it enabled by default and then takers choose to use it optionally 03:03 < nixbitcoindev[m]> > <@belcher:libera.chat> the downside would be that takers dont need fidelity bonds... although takers could still generate the addresses in their wallets and then just never use them 03:03 < nixbitcoindev[m]> * Yeah, the goal is to have it enabled by default and then makers choose to use it optionally 03:38 -!- NorrinRadd [~username@154.6.20.49] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 04:37 < waxwing> nixbitcoindev[m], i'm not seeing a disadvantage to have it always there even if not used. maybe i forgot something. 04:37 < waxwing> oh, it does have a slower wallet sync, especially on first run. after that it's not really noticeable. 04:38 < waxwing> (that was after we spent some time investigating and changing it, originally it was very slow) 04:56 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:16 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #joinmarket 05:23 < nixbitcoindev[m]> Aha :) So now it is just slow as compared to very slow? 06:05 < waxwing> i don't find it noticeable except the first run. so no, not really. nixbitcoindev[m] 06:10 < curemici[m]> Wouldn't it be better for privacy to set the bondless_makers_allowance higher e.g 0.5 as long as there are only about two dozens fm-makers? With 7 makers involved in N8-CJ you will have the same makers often. 06:11 < waxwing> mostly, yes. i had the same feeling about it. 06:11 < curemici[m]> I mean as a default value until there are much more fm-makers. 06:11 < waxwing> not very realistic to keep changing a default like that 06:14 < curemici[m]> Not automatic. But for newcomers/ upgraders now in the rep. When > 100 fb, default = 0.25 a.s.o 06:22 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:23 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 06:59 -!- JMBridged [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 07:01 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:01 -!- JMBridged is now known as JMBridge 08:42 -!- NorrinRadd [~username@154.6.20.49] has joined #joinmarket 08:55 < belcher> wouldnt bondless_maker_allowance going higher make the privacy lower not higher? because its easier to sybil attack 08:55 < belcher> in the extreme case of bondless_maker_allowance = 1 then theres no sybil protection at all 08:56 < belcher> remember there's no guarentee you coinjoined with a different person just because you coinjoined with a different bot 09:08 -!- gene [~gene@gateway/tor-sasl/gene] has joined #joinmarket 09:32 -!- technonerd [~techno@user/technonerd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32 -!- technonerd [~techno@user/technonerd] has joined #joinmarket 09:39 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 10:37 -!- JMBridged [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 10:38 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:38 -!- JMBridged is now known as JMBridge 11:08 -!- JMBridged [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 11:08 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:08 -!- JMBridged is now known as JMBridge 11:22 -!- undeath [~undeath@user/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.2] 11:57 < curemici[m]> "wouldnt bondless_maker_allowance..." <- Generally I agree. But the low number of FB makers on the market in relation to the N in the CJ at the moment seems not ideal. Assume a higher number of bad actors in FB makers. But maybe I don't understand the concept thoroughly. 12:01 < curemici[m]> At the moment 23 fb-makers, but 231 non FB. Prob for having bad actors in a CJ is intuitively higher when 7 come from a rather small group. 12:02 < belcher> i dont see how its not ideal, even if theres only one FB maker its still more sybil-resistant than nothing 12:02 < belcher> depends how you define "bad actor" really 12:02 < curemici[m]> Thing are different when there are 50 or 100 FB makers. 12:03 < belcher> yes so more FB makers are always good, less FB makers are always bad 12:03 < belcher> btw all those 231 non-FB makers might actually be run by the same person 12:05 < curemici[m]> Sure. You cannot be sure. Only a matter of felt probabilities. 12:05 < belcher> we have some strong indication that before FBs a lot of those bots were indeed run by the same person, we would see 8-9 bots all connect/disconnect at exactly the same time clearly sharing an internet connection, also some people on reddit would admit to running multiple bots in order to get higher income 12:08 < curemici[m]> What do you think of the large amount of orders in OB with high to absurd fees at the moment? Seems also to be the same person. 12:10 < curemici[m]> Is there really a possibility that an order of 145% is integrated into a CJ? 12:11 < curemici[m]> * Is there really a possibility that an order of 145% rel. fees is integrated into a CJ? 12:15 < belcher> i dont know 12:16 < belcher> 145% sounds like a fat finger price though 12:16 < belcher> maybe they intended 1.45% but didnt realize that the relfee thing is a ratio (i.e. 1.0 = 100% not 1%) 12:25 -!- gene [~gene@gateway/tor-sasl/gene] has quit [Quit: gene] 12:33 < curemici[m]> A lot of fat fingers for approx 80 orders from 3% to 145% all roughly with 0.6 BTC Max. 12:33 < curemici[m]> Seems like kinda scheme. 14:06 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:17 -!- JMBridged [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 14:17 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/the-eht] ehm QQ, in case someone knows without having to look at the code ... is the taker fee setting "max_cj_fee_rel" per maker involved in the sendpayment (like the maker "cjfee_r" setting), or is it a total no matter what -N is set to? the comments in the default config don't explain that clearly 14:18 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:18 -!- JMBridged is now known as JMBridge 14:19 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/the-eht] strongly assume it's independent of -N, but better safe than sory 18:30 -!- Fontaine [~Fontaine@182.253.98.196] has joined #joinmarket 18:35 -!- Fontaine [~Fontaine@182.253.98.196] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 19:15 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:15 -!- JMBridged [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 19:16 -!- JMBridged is now known as JMBridge 21:35 -!- belcher [~belcher@user/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:47 -!- belcher [~belcher@user/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 21:53 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 22:10 -!- JMBridged [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has joined #joinmarket 22:13 -!- JMBridge [~CoinJoins@gateway/tor-sasl/jmbridge] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13 -!- JMBridged is now known as JMBridge 22:39 -!- EasyR1d3r [~EasyR1d3r@180.151.194.114] has joined #joinmarket 23:49 -!- EasyR1d3r [~EasyR1d3r@180.151.194.114] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Fri Aug 27 00:00:50 2021