--- Log opened Sun Sep 26 00:00:18 2021 07:52 -!- augustoproiete [~augustopr@207.228.190.159] has joined #joinmarket 09:27 < emzy> Interesing text about coinjoin vs. other technologies. https://www.truthcoin.info/blog/expensive-privacy/ 09:29 < emzy> not 100% right I think. But a interesing read. That's why I posted it here. 10:18 -!- augustoproiete [~augustopr@207.228.190.159] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 10:30 -!- ufotofu [~ufotofu@149.248.16.17] has joined #joinmarket 11:36 < waxwing> emzy, yeah i remember that one. that's why i've been blehering on about the "stegaongraphic" property for 4 or 5 years :) But even then it's nuanced. As you say, interesting but not 100% right. 11:36 < waxwing> J55.. no it's just been quiet here last week for one reason or another 13:06 -!- technonerd [~techno@user/technonerd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:18 -!- technonerd [~techno@user/technonerd] has joined #joinmarket 13:53 < xyy> does anyone follow what our Ethereum friends are working on with respect to privacy tech? guess it has to be fundamentally different in an account-based model 13:53 < xyy> curious what they're doing to work around that and what the trade-offs are 13:53 < xyy> and yes. I know there is this 0.001% of ETH folks who do care about privacy :P 13:56 < xyy> curious what it is, and if any of it would also make sense in our UTXO + non-turing world 14:08 < technonerd> a little bit https://tornado.cash/ 14:34 < belcher> emzy its interesting to note that waxwing's blog post "The Steganographic Principle" which explains the same thing actually predates that truthcoin.info blog post 14:35 < belcher> privacy can still be valuable even if its detectable, there can be situations where your adversary is not able to censor you and therefore cant censor your privacy txes 14:36 < belcher> xyy ethereum is a scam, theres basically nothing valuable in that ecosystem, they're certainly not friends, see also https://i.redd.it/7cvutqz61bi71.jpg and https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumScam/ 14:46 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/kristapsk] it was so quiet here recently I was actually starting to wonder is JoinMarketRelay bot working :) 14:51 < ufotofu> i'd say ethereum has the worst privacy out of altcoins in general. its wallet infrastructure is designed such that address reuse is the norm. 14:52 < ufotofu> load up any ethereum wallet and it will generate a single address for you to do all of your transacting with 14:52 < ufotofu> compound that with everyone else doing the same and it's disastrous for privacy 15:11 < xyy> "xyy ethereum is a scam, theres..." <- "friends" was an euphemism ;-) 15:11 < xyy> I know Tornado, but that's obviously no competition to something like JM (in terms of UX etc) 15:11 < xyy> I was more wondering about the experimental "zero knowledge" stuff I keep hearing about... honestly no idea what's behind the buzzwords 15:12 < xyy> could just be hot air .. no clue 17:01 -!- belcher [~belcher@user/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:15 -!- belcher [~belcher@user/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 21:48 -!- ziggie [~ziggie@user/ziggie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:54 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: emzy, ufotofu, Lightsword 22:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ufotofu 22:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: emzy 22:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Lightsword 22:56 -!- ghost43_ [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #joinmarket 22:57 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:53 -!- davterra [~davterra@143.198.56.186] has joined #joinmarket --- Log closed Mon Sep 27 00:00:19 2021