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02:48 < waxwing> Guest74 is not here, but the answer to that is going to rather depend exactly when you were running it.
02:49 < waxwing> to e_pYcN ... yes, that's one of the bigger motivations; but, there are others.
03:35 < belcher> waxwing typo in your latest blog post "Although the makers were incented with payments, that asymmetry is kept off chain." 5th word should be "incentivized"?
03:36 < waxwing> belcher, ah interesting, i've gotten used to the idea that 'incented' is a real alternative word to 'incentivized' but i may just be wrong about that.
03:37 < belcher> iv never heard of it but it might be i guess
03:39 < waxwing> quick search suggests to me it's one of those 'people use it, but it probably isn't quite standard' things.
03:40 < waxwing> there seem to be even people who get annoyed that 'incentivize' exists as a verb (i.e. they think only the noun 'incentive' is correct, and that this an example of verb-izing nouns).
03:40 < belcher> your new blog post is quite good, iv just finished one reading now
03:40 < waxwing> there was a 'verb-izing' trend in like the 80s and 90s in the US that annoyed a lot of people, i remember jokes about it.
03:41 < waxwing> cool, be glad to hear any thoughts on that setup. you're one of very few people that the whole thing'll make sense to :)
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03:44 < waxwing> this is the blog we're talking about btw: https://www.reyify.com/blog/coinjoin-done-right
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03:46 < belcher> my first thought is that it depends on widespread taproot adoption, and that might not be realistic for some time (not just widespread in numbers but widespread in the ecosystem, so if only kyc exchanges adopt taproot and that brings taproot up to 30% of the txes that still wont be good enough, because those will be easy to exclude for an entity like chainalysis)
03:47 < belcher> i guess we want taproot adoption amongst regular users who use their own wallet, since they are the anonymity set we hide in
03:47 < belcher> ill give it another read in a few days when the ideas have settled a bit
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09:45 < Guest7427> I've got an old joinmarket wallet which has some btc inside of it.  Its been like 4 years since I ran the code
09:45 < Guest7427> I have the encrypted_seed for the wallet
09:45 < Guest7427> whats the easiest way to recover this btc?
09:46 < Guest7427> can i do it without syincing the blockchain to my local pc?
10:34 < Guest7427> I have teh wallet password but I dont ahve the recovery phrase
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11:01 < ocb> Guest7427: < waxwing> Guest74 is not here, but the answer to that is going to rather depend exactly when you were running it.
11:02 < Guest7427> it was 2017
11:04 < ocb> i am not very knowledgable about differences in the code past few years. one options is to extract private keys of specific addresses and sweep them directly from bitcoin-cli - but this has a downside that you might not know all the addresses that have funds and miss some. the safest would be to resyncing whole blockchain in pruned mode, which you can do on a 3$ VPS.
11:08 < ocb> or, i am not sure how this would work and it would definetly hurt your privacy, but you could try  importing seed in electrum with both main and change derivation paths but keep in mind the gaplimit of default 6. again, any alternative way and you are risking to forget some funds, somewhere.
11:09 < ocb> i'd get a 3$ VPS, import the addresses as read only which is done by default and resync in pruned mode, will take a few days but the safest option i think. afterwards, wipe disk contents.
11:09 < ocb> ^ since i have a 2mbps connection, downloading at home would take years :)
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11:41 < Guest7427> Oh shit! I just found the seed :P
11:41 < Guest7427> so that makes things easier right?
11:52 < belcher> if it was from 2017 then its probably a bip39 seed, if so then just import it into any wallet that supports bip39 and bip44
12:00 < Guest7427> so the blockchain android app is my normal btc
12:00 < Guest7427> wallet
12:01 < Guest7427> I also think the seed phrase was spread across all my generated wallets? Maybe not?
12:01 < Guest7427> I could just try importing the seed phrase into my normal btc wallet and see what happens right?
12:04 < belcher> Guest7427 yes as long as its bip39, which most do
12:04 < belcher> if your wallet doesnt support it try electrum, you need to click the checkbox to import bip39
12:07 < Guest7427> electrum is asking me the type of addresses
12:08 < Guest7427> legacy p2pkh / p2sh-segwit / native segwit
12:08 < Guest7427> should I just try the key with all 3?
12:17 < belcher> you can try all 3, but if its from 2017 it should only be legacy
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17:58 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/rurururu] hi
18:19 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/MTm^nvQQNiWzuqTP[VyWfsAjfP[Gnd]] Hi rurururu
18:20 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/rurururu] oh, there's life out there!
18:20 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/MTm^nvQQNiWzuqTP[VyWfsAjfP[Gnd]] Yes
18:23 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/rurururu] what's up with that nickname MTm^nvQQNiWzuqTP[VyWfsAjfP[Gnd]?
19:47 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/J55W2RWoArDhjMse] rurururu: be tolerant please....
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