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02:20 -!- Topic for #joinmarket: JoinMarket: Improving bitcoin privacy since 2015 | https://github.com/Joinmarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver | @joinmarket r/joinmarket | Logs: http://gnusha.org/joinmarket/ | Latest release 0.9.4 | Also on ncwkrwxpq2ikcngxq3dy2xctuheniggtqeibvgofixpzvrwpa77tozqd.onion:6667
02:20 -!- Topic set by waxwing [~waxwing@user/waxwing] [Tue Nov 30 08:47:05 2021]
02:20 [Users #joinmarket]
02:20 [@ChanServ   ] [ curemici[m]] [ Evanito[m]     ] [ koolazer        ] [ pigeons    ] [ unomie ] 
02:20 [ achow101   ] [ dc81_      ] [ geyaeb         ] [ Lightsword      ] [ pink_sarco ] [ waxwing] 
02:20 [ ademan[m]  ] [ deafboy    ] [ ghost43        ] [ livestradamus   ] [ qubenix    ] [ Xeha   ] 
02:20 [ avril      ] [ DeanGuss   ] [ gnusha         ] [ michaelfolkson  ] [ rojiro     ] [ Zenton ] 
02:20 [ belcher    ] [ dhruv      ] [ greypw254      ] [ Michail1        ] [ RubenSomsen] 
02:20 [ berndj     ] [ dodo       ] [ jetpack        ] [ nixbitcoindev[m]] [ stevenroose] 
02:20 [ BlueMatt   ] [ dr_orlovsky] [ JoinMarketRelay] [ nsh             ] [ stoner19   ] 
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02:20 [ BUSY       ] [ eric_yhf[m]] [ kexkey         ] [ openoms[m]      ] [ technonerd ] 
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09:57 < belcher> i just noticed a notable new fidelity bond, 22.05573624 btc locked up until 2025-06, currently the second most valuable bond
09:57 < belcher> i wonder when this arms race ends
09:58 < belcher> (until fidelity bonds contain all the value in the entire world and therefore joinmarket becomes literally impossible to sybil attack mwhahaha)
10:03 < ocb> belcher: for some reason around mid december there were 12 fidelity bonds, now there are over 50. what caused this big increase?
10:03 < belcher> that sounds like this bug ocb https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/1032X
10:03 < belcher> err, typo
10:04 < belcher> that sounds like this bug ocb https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/1032
10:05 < ocb> oh, thats it then most likely.
10:06 < belcher> if a taker uses N=10 then the current orderbook costs 204.76712049 BTC to be burned forever, and if those top 10 makers are actually controlled by the same person then they'd only have a success rate of 16% and would be foregoing 39.86 BTC^2 in fidelity bond value (the total fidelity bond value in the orderbook is 7.37 BTC^2, so the last number is absolutely huge)
10:07 < belcher> almost too huge... since all this comes at a cost that the makers get a more concentrated than before (we think, maybe before everyone was just a sybil)
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12:56 < CicciCiacci> Hello, I was researching the status of joinmarket support for hardware wallets, especially for makers. Am I right saying there isn't any support?
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14:42 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/kristapsk] CicciCiacci, yes, there is no support currently, but there is a plan to support that in the future, at least for the taker side, see https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/issues/663
14:42 < JoinMarketRelay> [hackint/kristapsk] first step is to have watch only support, for that https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/pull/989 needs to be finished and merged
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