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18:16 < rusty> aj: ping?
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21:17 < rusty> Damn, Luke-Jr just made a suggestion on #bitcoin-wizards which has my head spinning a bit.
21:18 < rusty> The idea of sending a LN transfer to someone who isn't on LN yet.  The easy way is to send funds to some trusted proxy node and tell them they're for newbie, then newbie connects and the proxy node funds the channel with them.
21:19 < rusty> Better is to use a normal transfer, except with a long timeout, so the newbie has the R value and sets up a channel then redeems like normal.
21:19 < rusty> But that requires newbie to be online.
21:22 < rusty> Of course, really long timeouts are possible too, but will cost appropriately more.
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