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02:48 < aj> hey rusty
02:48 < rusty> aj: hi!
02:49 < aj> rusty: you keep pinging, but are never online when i could pong!
02:49 < rusty> aj: yeah, I keep early hours now, generally...
02:50 < rusty> aj: I was just wondering if the non-peeling teardown variant looked like a sane starting point?
02:50 < aj> rusty: i've been in europe, which doesn't help...
02:50 < aj> rusty: i just skimmed that mail to the list, i think?
02:50 < rusty> aj: ah, Debconf?
02:50 < aj> rusty: yup
02:51 < rusty> aj: yeah... I thought I'd be implementing it soon, but I realized by state machine is missing all the "closed with HTLC" states, and so that's taking a while.
02:53 < aj> rusty: yes, it's much easier to make up state transitions in emails :-/
02:54 < rusty> aj: oh no, I have actual running code :) But I had that on the TODO, and then saw my missing round tuit.
03:02 < aj> rusty: fwiw, i think just assuming txns always succeed is a sane starting point...
03:03 < rusty> aj: that's true... we could ignore fees altogether for the moment.
03:04 < aj> rusty: i was going to say that 0-fee-blockchain -> 0-fee-lightning; but hubs don't have a "miner subsidy", so maybe some trivial fee would make some sense?
03:05 < rusty> aj: well, the first version will probably be fixed fee, and spray and pray routing.
03:22 < aj> rusty: http://azure.erisian.com.au/~aj/tmp/irc/
03:23 < aj> rusty: lightningbot is, in theory, logging the channel, and it seems i can (manually) htmlize its logs pretty easily
03:23 < rusty> aj: hmm, yeah, botbot.me doesnt' seem to be taking new channels.  I've pinged them, no response.
03:23 < rusty> I don't do twitter, otehrwise I'd be tempted to ask them via that..
03:25 < aj> rusty: there's a few other groups that seem to do irc bots that you could ask i guess; none seem to just have a webform that you can fill in for instant response though
03:26 < aj> rusty: there also doesn't seem to be a package you can just install and have work either; but supybot (to get the text .logs) and pygmentize (to make it pretty html) seems plausible
03:29 < rusty> aj: yeah, botbot.me has a github page, I could probably just run it myself, but I'd happily pay someone else to do so if there were such a service.
03:30 < aj> rusty: with lightning, maybe you could pay per line logged :P
03:30 < rusty> aj: )
03:30 < aj> cheshire smiley?
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13:36 < ftlio> Is it possible to send an HTLC that pays 'D' to someone you have a channel open with, and have that node 'figure out' how to route it to D?
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