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03:27 < CJP> My goal for now: bring Amiko Pay up to a level where I can use it to refund Rusty for the lunch he paid for me in Hong Kong :-)
03:28 < rusty> CJP: heh... awesome!  I imagine a bake-off sometime next year where we start by buying each other lunch, and nobody gets to leave until they've gotten their implementations to interoperate enough to pay each other back :)
03:29 < CJP> LOL
03:35 < CJP> I think I can finish the "IOU channel" this year, but even that isn't trivial because of architectural decisions in Amiko Pay. In prototype 3 I can't do ANYTHING blocking, so RPC (e.g. to bitcoind) rapidly becomes very convoluting.
03:35 < rusty> CJP: yes, making things async is always a pain.  I stole some old code I had to do this, but it's so easy to descend into callback hell...
03:38 < CJP> If only there was a way to store/restore function call stack in a data structure that can be stored to disk. Then I might be able to make a library that can handle this sort of thing transparently.
03:39 < rusty> CJP: yes, well in C I have to marshall / unmarshall explicitly, which is one reason I haven't implemented state saving yet.
03:41 < CJP> The whole point of prototype 3 of Amiko Pay is to implement state saving. Also, serialization is done a bit smarter than in the previous prototype.
03:44 < CJP> For now, I'll try to delay the RPC issue a bit, by only using unidirectional communication as long as possible. For instance, instead of asking bitcoind to make an address for me (ask->reply), I make a new address myself and tell bitcoind to import it.
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04:04 < CJP> I think the more fundamental problem is that programming languages are made to, and programmers are used to, solve problems using the function call stack. But anything on that stack (local variables, "program counter" etc.) is a state that is quite difficult to store to disk. So any time you want to store the program state, you have to make the function call stack as shallow as possible, and store all relevant data in other data struct
04:04 < CJP> ures.
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