--- Day changed Fri Jan 29 2016 00:14 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 00:44 -!- roidster [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:15 -!- drnet [~drnett@77.119.128.175.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lightning-dev 02:19 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@x5ce56571.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lightning-dev 02:19 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@x5ce56571.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Changing host] 02:19 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 02:39 -!- matsjj [~matsjj@p5B2096F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 03:01 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 03:35 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:50 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 03:56 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:05 -!- jtimon [~quassel@126.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 04:06 -!- cjcj [2e3b026a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.59.2.106] has joined #lightning-dev 04:11 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 04:58 -!- cjcj [2e3b026a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.59.2.106] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:14 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 05:31 -!- drnet [~drnett@77.119.128.175.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:38 -!- bityogi [~textual@208.104.143.200] has joined #lightning-dev 06:15 -!- cjcj [2e3b026a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.59.2.106] has joined #lightning-dev 07:00 -!- drnet [~drnett@77.119.128.175.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:23 -!- roidster [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:23 -!- roidster is now known as Guest341 07:23 -!- Guest341 is now known as roidster 08:31 -!- drnet [~drnett@77.119.128.175.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:45 -!- droark [~droark@c-24-22-36-12.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Later.] 08:45 -!- droark [~droark@c-24-22-36-12.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:04 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 09:04 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 09:31 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 09:38 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:58 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@x5ce56571.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lightning-dev 09:58 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@x5ce56571.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Changing host] 09:58 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 10:16 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 11:50 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 12:39 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 13:20 -!- JackH [~Jack@host-2-101-192-24.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:14 -!- JackH [~Jack@host-2-101-192-24.as13285.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:33 -!- Yoghur114 [~jorn@g227014.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 14:38 < Lauda> https://chrispacia.wordpress.com/2015/12/23/lightning-network-skepticism/ 14:38 < Lauda> Anyone care to share so input on this article? 14:57 < gwillen> Lauda: author calls zeroconf transactions a "critical part of bitcoin", which is not a view I think most people here would see as credible 14:58 < gwillen> a more technically sound view of zeroconf transactions, IMO, is "these are dangerous, and you shouldn't use them, because you will lose money, and people who know better will laugh at you" 14:58 < gwillen> using them and understanding that they are extremely risky and making a model of that risk, is possible 14:58 < gwillen> but it would still be possible in a world with RBF, the calculus would just look worse 15:57 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #lightning-dev 15:59 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:59 -!- droark [~droark@c-24-22-36-12.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:37 < Lauda> thanks gwillen 16:37 < gwillen> np 16:38 < Lauda> any other thoughts about the specific points mentioned there? 16:39 < Lauda> Some seem to think these are 'fundamental flaws' in the design of LN.. 16:39 < gwillen> I'm not informed enough to comment, ask rusty :-) 16:39 < Lauda> aj, rusty? 16:40 < Lauda> Seems like he's not around. 16:48 -!- drnet [~drnett@178.115.129.33.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lightning-dev 16:48 < instagibbs> Lauda, his article mixes some real concerns with lots of what I'd call a hissyfit. Concerns about finding routes, and parties being online, are valid. 16:56 -!- grubles1 [~grubles@185.92.221.103] has joined #lightning-dev 16:56 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 16:56 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 16:56 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lightning-dev 16:57 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 17:04 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: [b__b], Madars, grubles 17:05 < Lauda> thanks instagibbs 17:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: [b__b] 17:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Madars 17:07 < phantomcircuit> Lauda, there are engineering challenges that need to be solved, however nobody informed is seriously concerned about path finding 17:10 -!- JackH [~Jack@host-2-101-192-24.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18 -!- grubles1 is now known as grubles 17:19 -!- grubles [~grubles@185.92.221.103] has quit [Changing host] 17:19 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #lightning-dev 17:20 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 17:22 < instagibbs> also his point about needing two transactions to close/open is wrong; You can do it in a single transaction. 17:24 -!- drnet [~drnett@178.115.129.33.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29 -!- adnn [adnn@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-fdyvjketlmadgssi] has joined #lightning-dev 17:46 -!- adnn [adnn@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-fdyvjketlmadgssi] has quit [] 17:53 -!- Yoghur114 [~jorn@g227014.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07 -!- bityogi [~textual@208.104.143.200] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:25 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 18:48 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hxiwfxithaftphfh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:51 -!- jtimon [~quassel@126.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:32 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:38 < CodeShark> How do you do it in one? 19:47 < CodeShark> Oh, to close one channel and open a new one... 19:47 < CodeShark> not to open and close the same channel 20:16 -!- adnn [~adnn@cpe-158-222-198-108.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 20:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:31 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 21:38 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:14 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has left #lightning-dev [] 22:49 -!- roidster [~chatzilla@97-90-24-187.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [SeaMonkey 2.39/20151103191810]] 23:35 -!- matsjj [~matsjj@p5B2096F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]