--- Day changed Sun Jan 31 2016 00:25 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bovsktmhqolsiclx] has joined #lightning-dev 00:27 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has joined #lightning-dev 02:53 -!- JackH [~Jack@host-2-103-125-6.as13285.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:57 -!- JackH [~Jack@host-2-103-125-6.as13285.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00 -!- zorba_tg [~zorba_tg@185.27.105.71] has joined #lightning-dev 03:06 < zorba_tg> Also, the numbers heś throwing around seem way off: ¨How much should a payment hub pre-deposit in each channel? I have no idea, but let’s just say it’s $500 worth of bitcoin. If you want to run a payment hub that serves just 100 people, you would need $50,000 capital just to start up (and more realistically will be in the millions)¨ 03:25 -!- jtimon [~quassel@126.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26 < zorba_tg> And then he takes 0.5 BTC as an ¨example¨ for a transaction amount (and reavels that this random amount he just invented is ¨$220 at today’s price¨) - He just fails to mention that an on-chain fee for such amount will be 0.1% (with a 0.0005 fee). 03:42 < zorba_tg> and then this: ¨This may have worked in the past, but remember the Core developers have now pushed full RBF on us (and note it won’t be “opt-in” when blocks are full. It will be mandatory else your transactions will get stuck). So you simply can’t open channels on-the-fly (at least not for retail purchases). You will only be able to make a payment once the channel has confirmed since the coins which funded the channel could be t 03:42 < zorba_tg> rivially double spent otherwise.¨ 04:06 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 04:25 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: PaulCape_, stevenroose|BNC, stevenroose, jlyndon, gijensen, [b__b], moli, warren, aj, binns, (+36 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 04:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: AaronvanW, Ylbam, cjcj, Luke-Jr, zmanian_, mr_burdell, aj, gijensen, adnn, Madars (+4 more) 04:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ghtdak, crescendo, binns, jouke, waxwing 04:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: cfields, jl2012, warren, btcdrak, zorba_tg, fkhan_, stevenroose, stevenroose|BNC, Taek, sugarpuff (+1 more) 04:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: moli, grubles, amiller_ 04:28 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #lightning-dev 04:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: instagibbs, go1111111, CodeShark, epscy, Lauda, Monthrect 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