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16:26 < Lauda> rusty
16:26 < rusty> Lauda: hi!
16:26 < Lauda> Hello. I'll be direct to save time:There is no decentralized solution to routing yet, correct?
16:26 < Lauda> Just read some interaction between maxwell and someone on reddit and became curious.
16:27 < rusty> Lauda:Correct.
16:28 < rusty> Lauda: I have speculated on landmark selection algorithms using the blockchain as a random beacon, but it's hardwavy at best.
16:29 < Lauda> So LN is going to be released with a path-finding "problem" (as in centralized)?
16:30 < Lauda> So what is the impact of  path-finding being centralized in comparison to being decentralized?
16:36 < rusty> Changing networks, BRB...
16:36 < aj> Lauda: getting HTLCs working correctly is enough of a problem; once that's done decentralising routing is just the next thing to do. i haven't seen any reason to expect that totally redesigning the routing a few times will be difficult
16:36 < Lauda> HTLC?
16:38 < aj> "hashed timelock contract", the building block for lightning on the blockchain
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16:38 < rusty2> Lauda: I've proposed half-seriously that as an intermediary step everyone broadcasts their routes on an IRC channel.  Bitcoin started that way...
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16:38 < Lauda> Ah, didn't know what the shortcut was for. Thanks. 
16:39 < Lauda> rusty2 interesting thought. I wouldn't mind, but there are obviously people that will attack the development due to a the lack of a sufficient decentralized solution.
16:39 < rusty2> Lauda: yep!
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16:39 < Lauda> Do you have a ETA in mind?
16:39 < aj> rusty2: +1 for irc, fully seriously
16:39 < rusty> Lauda: yep!
16:39 < Lauda> Mind sharing it?
16:40 < rusty> Lauda: yep! :_
16:40  * Lauda feels uncertain
16:40 < rusty> Lauda: the ETA is in features, not time.
16:41 < Lauda> You do know that it stands for 'time'? :)
16:41 < aj> rusty: EFA ?
16:41 < rusty> Lauda: so, we need to get inter-node comms nailed.  There are divergent approaches, so we need to reconcile.
16:42 < rusty> Lauda: after that, the obvious question is routing and fees.  In the meanwhile, a temp broadcast solution makes sense.
16:43 < Lauda> Understood; no ETA yet. It's good to hear that the pieces are being set in their places slowly.
16:46 < rusty> Lauda: yeah, there are some subtleties which I really would like to nail the first time around.
16:47 < Lauda> People are already abusing the stuff that maxwell wrote and calling it "vaporware".
16:47 < Lauda> Quite toxic. Anyhow, where's the source code located?
16:47 < aj> rusty: http://www.splint.org/ might be interesting (static analysis tool for C)
16:48 < rusty> Lauda: Joseph, Tadge and roasbeef's Go version is here: https://github.com/LightningNetwork/lnd/  My C version is here: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning
16:48 < Lauda> These are not related right?
16:48 < Lauda> or are you working together?
16:52 < aj> independent implementations of the same idea, aiming to make it independent implementations fo a common spec, so working together on the spec, more or less
16:52 < rusty> Lauda: we're coopertitioning?  The plan is to agree on the protocol level.
16:53 < rusty> Lauda: so we should interoperate eventually.  It's nice to ahve running code to make concrete arguments over protocols though...
16:53 < rusty> Lauda: there are other implementations too, but they're probably the most advanced.
16:54 < Lauda> Thank you for the information. Time to strike back at the 'bad actors' with good information. Thanks for the links I was unable to find the other one 
16:56 < aj> rusty: ... except splint is apparently unmaintained :(
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17:18 < bobdilan> check my new program for getting bitcoins, 1 bitcoin per day http://bit.ly/FreeBitcoin_key
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17:45 -!- mode/#lightning-dev [+b $j:#bitcoin-global-bans] by gwillen
17:46 <@gwillen> rusty: lemme know if there was some specific reason not to have that ban in place
17:46 <@gwillen> that is "import the bitcoin channels global baddies ban list"
17:47 < rusty> gwillen: thanks, I didn't know...
17:47 <@gwillen> (to which I just added this particular baddie)
17:47 <@gwillen> np, it never occurred to me to add it until just now
17:48 <@gwillen> because this same dude was also in -wizards and -dev 
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18:23 < aj> gwillen: nice
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