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02:20 < adlai> which lightning implementation is the readablest?
02:48 < rusty> adlai: the protocol specs at https://github.com/rustyrussell/lightning are a good start...
02:48 < adlai> interface xor implementation
02:49 < adlai> at least, until the computers start speakenglish better than we does
02:50 < adlai> but thank you rusty, repo starred & feathered
02:51  * adlai is curious to see how blustery his interview answer (Q: how to scale p2pool payout coinbases? A: mine directly into payment channels) was
02:51 < adlai> sadly ChannelEstablishment.md is waiting for a brave soul to write it :)
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04:13 -githubby:#lightning-dev- [lightning] bitkevin opened pull request #22: add convert sha256 to string functions and update docs (master...master) https://git.io/vV622
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13:20 < JackH> do we have a model or suggestion of some elaborate user cases on the lightning network? something apart from "simple" transactions?
13:20 < JackH> an example of a smart-contract or something that is "wild" and cannot yet be done in our current environment?
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14:14 < stonecoldpat> JackH: all lightning transactions are real transactions, so i imagine they are restrained in terms of wild use cases :(
14:15 < stonecoldpat> (someone might be able to think of a wild use case, i cant atm)
14:15 < JackH> stonecoldpat, I noticed a mention lightning on 2 different chains and interaction between those
14:16 < stonecoldpat> yeah, that is cool, but you can do that without lightning as far as i know: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Atomic_cross-chain_trading
14:17 < stonecoldpat> to me, lightning is mostly cool, as all you can send thousands of transactions without hitting the Blockchain, and do not need to actually trust anyone, your coins are deposited with a co-operative third party, and if they refuse to co-operate, you just close the channel and try someone else
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14:19 < JackH> yes that is very cool and I agree
14:19 < JackH> but
14:19 < JackH> the case for Bitcoin will really be made when we can do something nobody else can 
14:20 < JackH> right now we are doing payments, which is already done 
14:20 < JackH> and scaling, I dont want to downplay it! It is amazing
14:20 < JackH> but....
14:20 < JackH> we need something wild now
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14:21 < JackH> the closest I came to speculation was this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4cx6el/mast_a_new_bip_based_on_segwit_uses_a_merkle_tree/
14:21 < JackH> enabling new scripts that will allow for X, Y and Z, whatever those would be?
14:22 < stonecoldpat> if that was implemented, lightning could also use it. 
14:31 < JackH> I am still lacking a "what we can do" that is wild
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