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ZZZzzz…] 10:11 -!- gmaxwell [greg@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has joined #lightning-dev 10:11 -!- UukGoblin [~jaa@unaffiliated/uukgoblin] has joined #lightning-dev 10:12 < UukGoblin> hello 10:16 < UukGoblin> does LN require segwit in addition to CSV? 10:17 < pigeons> no 10:17 < UukGoblin> cool, so is https://github.com/LightningNetwork/lnd the right thing to look at? :-) 10:22 < pigeons> i meant in theory it could be implemented that way 10:23 < UukGoblin> ah, what I'm wondering is what route is being planned 10:23 < UukGoblin> as in, are we waiting to get segwit to help with malleability? 10:23 < pigeons> looks like yes 10:23 < gmaxwell> UukGoblin: basically there isn't just one protocol design right now, and people came up with ways (that make various compromises) of having more or less usable lightning under a multitude of different assumptions. 10:24 < UukGoblin> gotcha, I see 10:24 < gmaxwell> Nothing is really waiting, it looks (to me) that the improvements to bitcoin that are useful will mostly show up before much of the software is really all that ready for widespread use. 10:25 < UukGoblin> which is pretty surprising, but kinda awesome 10:31 < UukGoblin> so do you think segwit will happen after CSV? 10:31 < UukGoblin> or is it being abandoned? I mean, there's really not many votes for it 10:32 < gmaxwell> votes?! huh? 10:33 < gmaxwell> It's still being reviewed, though mostly done with that. The idea for it stems from novemember, which would still make it the fastest developed softfork yet (not counting anything bitcoin's creator did) 10:35 < UukGoblin> I mean those miner votes I saw the other day 10:36 < UukGoblin> CSV, if I understand correctly, requires a soft fork as well? 10:37 < gmaxwell> yes, there is no signaling for segwit yet. 10:37 < UukGoblin> https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pools?resolution=1m 10:37 < gmaxwell> I was confused because, while none is not many it wasn't obvious thats what you were talking about yet. :) 10:37 < UukGoblin> that's the one I was looking at 10:38 < UukGoblin> there was 1 vote ;-) 10:38 < UukGoblin> in the last month 10:38 < UukGoblin> and 7 in the last half-year 10:38 < UukGoblin> sorry, yeah, I'm still confused too :-) 10:38 < gmaxwell> lol. thats busted. I wonder what they're counting as 'segwit'. 10:38 < UukGoblin> ah, ok :-) 10:39 < UukGoblin> that would explain the confusion :-) 10:43 -!- wraithm [~textual@205.197.160.100] has joined #lightning-dev 10:57 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 11:00 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:22 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 11:23 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 11:24 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:03 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 12:06 -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:11 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 13:13 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:26 -!- rusty2 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 14:01 -!- wraithm [~textual@205.197.160.100] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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