--- Day changed Thu Oct 20 2016 00:20 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 00:28 -!- tcrypt [~tcrypt@c-73-189-178-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: _ノ乙(、ン、)_] 00:36 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has joined #lightning-dev 00:36 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has quit [Client Quit] 00:36 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has joined #lightning-dev 00:44 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:48 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #lightning-dev 00:52 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 00:57 -!- Eliel [~jojkaart@104-250-47-212.rev.cloud.scaleway.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:58 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 00:59 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:03 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #lightning-dev 01:06 -!- Eliel [~jojkaart@104-250-47-212.rev.cloud.scaleway.com] has joined #lightning-dev 01:14 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:17 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 01:18 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #lightning-dev 01:21 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:39 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has joined #lightning-dev 01:41 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has quit [Client Quit] 01:49 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 01:51 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mpgnomwudklnmxtk] has joined #lightning-dev 02:08 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has joined #lightning-dev 02:14 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 02:48 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:03 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #lightning-dev 03:04 -!- cdecker [~quassel@2a02:aa16:1105:4a80:183c:ad5:f656:aa73] has joined #lightning-dev 03:51 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has joined #lightning-dev 04:07 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mpgnomwudklnmxtk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:07 -!- jannes [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has joined #lightning-dev 04:18 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@107.red-83-61-221.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:27 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@107.red-83-61-221.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lightning-dev 04:35 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 05:04 -!- bigpresh [~bigpresh@freenode/staff/bigpresh] has joined #lightning-dev 05:22 -!- jtimon [~quassel@211.28.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 06:29 < cdecker> AaronvanW: the problem with Thunder is that it is vulnerable to malleability 06:37 < AaronvanW> cdecker: yes, that's what I assumed. 06:40 < AaronvanW> cdecker: that basically means a channel-partner can screw you over, right? 06:41 < cdecker> Yep, the channel partner can close unilaterally and malleate the commitment transaction so that the retaliation no longer works. 06:48 < AaronvanW> cdecker: that's why I was surprised/confused by peter smith's comment 06:48 < AaronvanW> cdecker: https://twitter.com/OneMorePeter/status/788719039447171072 06:48 < AaronvanW> if you can make sense of it, let me know? 06:48 < adiabat> Huh, I haven't looked at it, but how does changing the txid stop the penalty tx? 06:49 < adiabat> unless you're talking about outsourced, then that makes sense 06:49 < AaronvanW> (btw emin gun sirer deleted the tweet that started the thread, messing the thread up.) 06:49 < adiabat> but if you've got all the key / preimage material, couldn't you rewrite to spend from the new txid commitment output? 06:53 < adiabat> I should look at it, but in my code, and most that I've looked at, txid malleability mainly affects the funding process, and the link from funding txid to commitment tx 06:53 < cdecker> Well the funding is not a problem with CSV anyway 06:54 < adiabat> what do you mean? Have a script other than 2-of-2 multisig as output script for the funding tx? 06:54 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:56 -!- bigpresh [~bigpresh@freenode/staff/bigpresh] has left #lightning-dev [] 06:57 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnshpgiqmjkysqxz] has joined #lightning-dev 06:58 -!- aalex [~aalex@64.187.177.58] has joined #lightning-dev 06:58 < AaronvanW> fwiw here's my reconstruction of the full thread :p 06:58 < AaronvanW> https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/788716316274270208 06:58 < AaronvanW> https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/788715328616468480 06:58 < AaronvanW> https://twitter.com/OneMorePeter/status/788715792456159232 06:59 < cdecker> adiabat: yep, have a branch with 2-of-2 and one with a CSV locked to yourself if you're funding the channel 07:02 -!- tcrypt [~tcrypt@c-73-189-178-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 07:04 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@80.215.178.194] has joined #lightning-dev 07:05 -!- 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