--- Day changed Wed Jul 05 2017 00:11 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 00:37 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@vpn-qld171.vpnsolutions.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:40 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has joined #lightning-dev 00:46 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 00:49 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #lightning-dev 00:54 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:58 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tlnghsuuuvwhxnvn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:20 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:29 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #lightning-dev 02:55 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 03:17 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:25 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has joined #lightning-dev 04:14 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #lightning-dev 04:24 -!- pm [~pm@11.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #lightning-dev 04:52 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #lightning-dev 05:01 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] pm47 pushed 1 new commit to clarify-optional-desc: https://git.io/vQ2Xj 05:01 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/clarify-optional-desc 0de165d Pierre-Marie Padiou: attempted to clarify requirements on fields 05:03 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 05:13 -!- matsjj [~matsjj@212.161.45.230] has joined #lightning-dev 05:13 < matsjj> Can someone enlighten me on the current status of third party monitoring? 05:16 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:39 -!- AaronvanW_ [~ewout@207pc74.sshunet.nl] has joined #lightning-dev 05:52 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] pm47 pushed 1 new commit to clarify-optional-desc: https://git.io/vQ2HJ 05:52 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/clarify-optional-desc cc23bbd Pierre-Marie Padiou: added a `d` or `h` field to test vectors 05:56 < matsjj> In BOLT #4 there are just a few references to how the secret generation makes it possible for a third party to claim funds. But that only holds true for the plain channel values, not for any open HTLCs, is that correct? Because for HTLCs we would need to supply the third party with a new signature for every channel update for every HTLC? 05:57 < matsjj> (BOLT #3 - sorry) 07:09 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 07:23 -!- Deadlyelder [~Thunderbi@ip-213-135-240-50.static.luxdsl.pt.lu] has quit [Quit: Deadlyelder] 07:30 -!- JackH [~laptop@46.231.18.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:30 -!- pm [~pm@11.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:45 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-254-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:47 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-180-125-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 09:36 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jdisxrouvkpjlsqu] has joined #lightning-dev 09:42 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:04 < cdecker> matsjj, yes I think we currently do not support outsourcing HTLC preimages 10:04 < cdecker> It's a tradeoff between security on one side and privacy and data requirements on the other 10:13 < matsjj> Yea thats what I thought, thanks! I guess it depends on how many transactions are actually processed. But you would need to submit 2 transaction for every open payment on every channel update. That might be 1MB a day or a second :) 10:14 < cdecker> Yep, those requirements are rather steep, and we can't currently structure them in an aggregatable way 10:18 < matsjj> I saw that there is a pool of funds put aside not spendable, to not get into the _nothing-at-stake_ situation. Any idea how high that should be? It would be easy to create a state where most of the funds are in HTLCs and thus unprotected 10:19 < cdecker> Right, the channel_reserve is negotiated during channel setup 10:19 < cdecker> I currently don't remember what the values in our implementations are 10:19 < cdecker> I think something around 10% of total capacity 10:21 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:36 -!- matsjj [~matsjj@212.161.45.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:55 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 11:17 -!- cbits [~cbits@92-244-6-154.customers.ownit.se] has joined #lightning-dev 11:21 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-180-125-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:36 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-180-125-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 11:40 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-180-125-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-180-125-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 11:51 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 11:57 -!- ajd__ [~Anthony@91.239.96.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:23 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 12:43 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-67-168-4-85.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:34 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:57 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:06 -!- abpa [~abpa@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 14:06 -!- cbits [~cbits@92-244-6-154.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:43 -!- netrom [~netrom@remorse.no] has joined #lightning-dev 15:59 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-52.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 17:14 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@vpn-qld171.vpnsolutions.com.au] has joined #lightning-dev 17:18 -!- AaronvanW_ [~ewout@207pc74.sshunet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 17:31 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-52.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 17:35 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-52.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 17:44 -!- CubicEarth [~cubiceart@c-67-168-4-85.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 17:59 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 18:05 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jdisxrouvkpjlsqu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:27 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:55 -!- astuto [9467e210@gateway/web/freenode/ip.148.103.226.16] has joined #lightning-dev 19:56 -!- astuto [9467e210@gateway/web/freenode/ip.148.103.226.16] has quit [Client Quit] 20:20 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 20:49 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 20:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 21:09 -!- mol [~IRCIdent@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:11 -!- molz [~IRCIdent@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 21:13 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:08 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:13 -!- pepesza [~pepesza@185.83.218.228] has joined #lightning-dev 22:22 -!- pepesza- [~pepesza@185.83.218.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:45 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 22:48 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 23:17 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:21 -!- maaku [~mark@173.234.25.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:21 -!- stiell [~stian@fsf/member/stiell] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:21 -!- maaku [~mark@173.234.25.100] has joined #lightning-dev 23:33 -!- stiell [~stian@fsf/member/stiell] has joined #lightning-dev 23:42 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nueqomslgqulspku] has joined #lightning-dev 23:45 -!- pigma64 [~pigma64@108-233-47-56.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 23:45 -!- pigma64 [~pigma64@108-233-47-56.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55 -!- pigma64 [~pigma64@108-233-47-56.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev