--- Day changed Thu Jul 06 2017 00:11 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 00:25 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:31 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 00:49 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@vpn-qld171.vpnsolutions.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:51 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has joined #lightning-dev 00:52 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Client Quit] 01:01 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 01:18 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-72-83-36-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:19 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-72-83-36-237.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lightning-dev 01:48 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #lightning-dev 02:06 -!- cbits [~cbits@c-217-115-42-58.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:17 -!- JackH [~laptop@79-73-189-176.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lightning-dev 02:32 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has joined #lightning-dev 02:43 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:46 -!- jannes [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:46 -!- jannes [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has joined #lightning-dev 02:50 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:56 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 03:03 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 03:16 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24 -!- marcoagner [~user@179.177.240.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:36 -!- marcoagner [~user@177.41.194.197] has joined #lightning-dev 03:45 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 04:00 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:17 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:44 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 04:57 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:47 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 05:57 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:45 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-180-125-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:46 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-240-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 09:02 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 09:17 < afdudley> cdecker: thanks a lot. I think I figured out a solution to my problem. It's ugly, but it works. 09:19 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:25 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has joined #lightning-dev 09:26 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.154.68.134] has quit [Client Quit] 09:28 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 09:31 < cdecker> Great, looking forward to reading your writeup ^^ 09:45 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:52 < afdudley> Oh the other solution is to add a very simple scripting language to Lightning to allow for the sort of chain compositions I'm thinking of. But since those Agreements aren't bilateral they would be best under consensus. 09:55 < afdudley> s/chain/channel/ 09:56 < cdecker> Well you need to take care that whatever you build into Lightning it must be expressible as a Bitcoin script, otherwise we can't enforce it by dropping on-chain 10:26 < afdudley> Hmm. What about Ethereum support for Lightning? 10:27 < cdecker> Should be possible, but not a focus currently 10:27 < afdudley> Rather, Lightning support for Ethereum 10:27 < cdecker> The Raiden guys are trying to implement Lightning on Ethereum 10:27 < afdudley> Yeah, I think I'll need to do that. 10:28 < afdudley> They aren't really, it's "Lightning-like" 10:28 < afdudley> For starters, they use a different hashing algo 10:29 < afdudley> Then, their routing is done on-chain via a table. 10:29 < cdecker> Well that's just a minor thing I'd argue 10:29 < cdecker> Yeah, routing is rather messy with Raiden 10:29 < cdecker> I'm not up to date with their current state, but its the closest thing to Lightning Ethereum has 10:30 < afdudley> Yes. But it's far less cross chain compatible. 10:31 < cdecker> There's methods to make it work ^^ 10:32 < cdecker> We can use the onion to pass hop-specific information to nodes, such that switching hash functions along the way should not have a huge impact 10:32 < cdecker> It'd require however the origin of the transfer to actually know the topology across all chains 10:51 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 11:53 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04 < afdudley> But don't the source and destination need to agree at a minimum? 12:04 < afdudley> On the hash function I mean. 12:06 < afdudley> Assuming the raiden routing is kept on Ethereum doesn't that oddly make updating raiden routes both more expensive and less private? 12:21 < afdudley> Do LN nodes gossip state of "parent" chains or are they assumed to be at least SPV nodes? 12:43 < cdecker> Yep, storing the routes in the global consensus state seems excessive, we just gossip it around 12:43 < cdecker> And yes, if you want to include some other chain in your route then you're currently required to be at least an SPV node 12:56 -!- sh_smith [foobar@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:58 -!- sh_smith [foobar@cpe-76-174-26-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 13:05 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 13:08 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] AndrewSamokhvalov closed pull request #197: BOLT #2: Make onion packet vary size (master...AndrewSamokhvalov-onion-len-patch) https://git.io/vQ091 13:16 -!- clarkmoody [~clarkmood@47-218-249-135.bcstcmta04.res.dyn.suddenlink.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:19 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-240-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:20 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-240-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 14:22 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:47 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 15:20 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 15:21 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:15 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 16:47 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:25 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 17:53 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@vpn-qld171.vpnsolutions.com.au] has joined #lightning-dev 18:22 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nueqomslgqulspku] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 19:40 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 19:45 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has joined #lightning-dev 19:50 -!- stevenroose [~steven@vps.weuste.club] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:52 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 19:53 -!- stevenroose [~steven@vps.weuste.club] has joined #lightning-dev 20:24 -!- RubenSomsen [~RubenSoms@1.217.138.142] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:49 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-240-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:49 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-240-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 21:14 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:40 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 21:56 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:08 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmenyeyxxngqrueo] has joined #lightning-dev 23:15 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:16 -!- Deadlyelder [~Thunderbi@ip-213-135-240-50.static.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #lightning-dev 23:38 -!- Anduck [~Anduck@unaffiliated/anduck] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:39 -!- rabidus [~rabidus@uhiainen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:39 -!- Anduck [~Anduck@unaffiliated/anduck] has joined #lightning-dev 23:40 -!- rabidus [~rabidus@uhiainen.com] has joined #lightning-dev