--- Day changed Sat Jul 15 2017 00:17 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:20 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has joined #lightning-dev 00:21 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has joined #lightning-dev 00:54 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:02 -!- Deadlyelder [~Thunderbi@cable-83.217.135.132.coditel.net] has joined #lightning-dev 01:20 -!- takinbo [~takinbo@unaffiliated/takinbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:21 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has joined #lightning-dev 01:22 -!- takinbo [~takinbo@unaffiliated/takinbo] has joined #lightning-dev 01:31 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has joined #lightning-dev 01:46 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 02:07 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:08 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has joined #lightning-dev 02:20 -!- Deadlyelder [~Thunderbi@cable-83.217.135.132.coditel.net] has quit [Quit: Deadlyelder] 02:22 -!- Deadlyelder [~Thunderbi@cable-83.217.135.132.coditel.net] has joined #lightning-dev 02:56 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dgrkmccavucxvgqw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:00 -!- coredump_ [~quassel@101.165.147.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:04 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 03:41 < cdecker> cjd, you still need to convince people to use Lightning in the first place, and Segwit will not actually activate on Aug 1st 04:55 -!- aantonop [~aantonop@61.6.4.30] has joined #lightning-dev 04:58 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:21 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:27 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has joined #lightning-dev 05:30 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 06:04 -!- aantonop [~aantonop@61.6.4.30] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:21 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@079-170-138-246-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:21 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:21 -!- jtimon [~quassel@102.30.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 06:55 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-169-189-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 07:01 < cjd> cdecker: Isn't there some kind of an action plan written down somewhere ? Like August 1st X happens, then Y can happen whn Z, then A will start to be rolled out ... 07:02 < mryandao> cjd: no. there isn't. 07:03 < cdecker> Ok, action plan is simple: segwit activate -> you get LN, segwit doesn't activate -> LN takes longer 07:03 < cjd> Even like blockstream people don't have this ? 07:03 < cjd> But LN still requires building a consortium of businesses which want to network over it so somebody is going to have to organize that meeting, right ? 07:04 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04 < mryandao> if segwit doesnt activate, will normalized txid see the light of day? 07:04 < mryandao> cdecker: ;) 07:05 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 07:05 < cdecker> Nope I abandoned normalized transaction IDs in favor of SegWit a long time ago 07:06 < cdecker> Segwit is a clear superset of Normalized TX IDs and does not need additional memory to keep the non-normalized -> normalized mapping 07:08 < mryandao> i see. 07:09 < cdecker> Plus it fixes some other nice things to have 07:10 < cdecker> cjd, Lightning is not a Blockstream project, it's a community effort to create a standardized and open protocol 07:11 < cjd> Sure, I understand, but I assume if there's no clear action plan in the community then perhaps there is one in the business... 07:11 < cjd> Maybe "build it, they will come" is enough *shrug* 07:14 < cdecker> We have a number of applications we'd like to enable with Lightning, but currently we are concentrating on building the platform ^^ 07:14 < mryandao> cjd: in the spirit of FOSS, if you like it, you use it. Otherwise, you don't. There's no plan 07:15 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 07:17 < cjd> Sure but I don't have any way to use LN directly, I only win after someone does the work of knocking on doors and getting everyone significant to interconnect so that transfers between exhanges and merchants and such are instant 07:18 < cjd> And getting them to sign a letter of intent to link before segwit activates would be a big deal 07:18 < cjd> *sign before, not link before :) 07:26 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 07:28 < cdecker> Sure, we have been talking to potential users and the tech should be interesting for a number of companies, we expect some of them to come forward eventually declaring their support 07:36 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 07:57 -!- Deadlyelder [~Thunderbi@cable-83.217.135.132.coditel.net] has quit [Quit: Deadlyelder] 08:04 -!- bedeho [~bedeho@cm-84.214.5.24.getinternet.no] has quit 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