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Anduck 13:47 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] kek-coin opened pull request #217: Reword proportional fee explanation. (master...master) https://git.io/v7oYR 14:02 -!- rasengan [~rasengan@irc.porn] has quit [Changing host] 14:02 -!- rasengan [~rasengan@pdpc/corporate-sponsor/privateinternetaccess.com/rasengan] has joined #lightning-dev 14:05 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #lightning-dev 14:15 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:18 -!- afdudley [afdudleyma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qxzjrlocmdxlztfh] has joined #lightning-dev 14:27 -!- lotf [~lotf@cpe-45-37-5-116.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 14:27 < lotf> How soon after Segwit is enabled on Bitcoin will Lightning start working and being used in wallets? 14:29 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #lightning-dev 14:37 -!- TD--Linux is now known as TD-Linux 14:37 -!- TD-Linux [~Thomas@kyoko.thomasdaede.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:37 -!- TD-Linux [~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux] has joined #lightning-dev 14:38 < stevenroose> lotf: hard to tell 14:38 < stevenroose> LN is not working on testnet yet 14:38 < stevenroose> I mean, it does work in theory and individual implementations have made successful transactions and all 14:39 < stevenroose> but the standard is barely finished and implementations don't comply yet 14:40 < stevenroose> going from "fully reliable transactions" on testnet, i.e. being able to download any implementation and reliable open channels and make payments without any risk of losing state or money, to going to mainnet will also take time 14:41 < stevenroose> wallet-wise LN is entirely different from regular bitcoin it how it works and the types of interation needed 14:41 < stevenroose> so finding out what is the best way to deliver the experience will also take a lot of time 14:53 -!- Tulsene_ [uid52948@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cgcnjyushydrshwq] has joined #lightning-dev 14:55 -!- Tulsene_ is now known as Tulsene 15:01 < molz> lotf, it's ready when it's ready 15:18 < lotf> stevenroose when you say a lot of time, are we talking 10 years, 5 years, 2 years, 1 year 15:22 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #lightning-dev 15:43 -!- JackH [~laptop@host-80-43-141-200.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00 <+roasbeef> stevenroose: barely finished? in its current state, where do you see it lacking? eclair+c-lightning are compatible, with lnd soon to join the group (just some minor things to implement) 16:13 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #lightning-dev 16:31 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32 -!- marcoagner [~user@177.41.204.174] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 16:34 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #lightning-dev 16:35 -!- marcoagner [~user@177.41.204.174] has joined #lightning-dev 16:39 < stevenroose> I thought barely finished meant only just finished 16:39 < stevenroose> sorry not native english 16:40 < stevenroose> I didn't know about eclair actually. I recently recently heard about c-lightning and lnd integration going on atm 18:23 < molz> stevenroose, which "LN is not working on testnet yet"? 18:23 < molz> there're several implementations, saying "LN is not working on testnet yet" is a false broad brush 18:32 < stevenroose> molz: well, it's testnet, its hard to create a functioning network that is dense enough 18:33 < molz> huh? 18:33 < stevenroose> but what I meant is that you can't yet just use any implementation and reliably pay someone with a LN invoice 18:33 < molz> now you changed what you said 18:35 < molz> you don't even know if any LN implementation works on testnet, so please stop the fud 18:38 < stevenroose> molz: srry if I was not nuanced enough. I know lightning works. I've made transactions with lnd myself. I'm just saying that there is a difference between being able to make a payment over a manual setup and being able to enter the network and freely transact 18:38 < stevenroose> like I said, large part of that is because on a testnet, there's no real incentive for people to have open channels in the first place 18:39 < stevenroose> but also due to implementations not yet 100% working together 18:39 < stevenroose> I was following cdecker working on clighning and lnd integration. Didn't know about eclair though 18:41 < molz> now you're giving us a different tone, i read the log and you said mainly ""LN is not working on testnet yet" and made someone think LN is still years away 18:42 < molz> so i'm just wondering "which LN is still not working on testnet", that's all, you don't have to tell me anything else 18:52 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jljnrpkjbuevdyhq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:02 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:03 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #lightning-dev 20:13 -!- lotf [~lotf@cpe-45-37-5-116.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:13 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 20:14 -!- lotf [~lotf@cpe-45-37-5-116.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 20:18 -!- lotf [~lotf@cpe-45-37-5-116.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:34 -!- ThomasV_ [~ThomasV@x590cdd7b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lightning-dev 20:35 -!- ThomasV_ [~ThomasV@x590cdd7b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:38 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:07 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #lightning-dev 21:32 -!- marcoagner [~user@177.41.204.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:40 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43 -!- marcoagner [~user@187.113.131.76] has joined #lightning-dev 21:59 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has joined #lightning-dev 22:10 -!- MaxSan [~one@185.156.175.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@KD111103034253.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 22:14 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@KD111103034253.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@KD111103034253.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 22:29 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@KD111103034253.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43 -!- nvrhome [~nvrhome@cpe-76-167-114-63.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 23:03 -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:52 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 23:56 -!- nvrhome [~nvrhome@cpe-76-167-114-63.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:57 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]