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12:16 < rusty> cdecker: you might find the first commit in https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/459 interesting.  Was nasty to figure out why signatures were failing...
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12:34 < cdecker> Looking now
12:37 < jb55> what does hsm stand for? is it a stub for hardware wallets?
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12:51 < Chris_Stewart_5> hardware securit module? 
12:51 < Chris_Stewart_5> security* 
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12:53 < cdecker> Eventually that's the only piece of software that has access to the private keys and will validate things it signs with some heuristics
12:53 < cdecker> One step further it'd also be possible to actually have a hardware device that takes care of this
12:54 < spudowiar> I started working-ish on that, but there's still quite a lot of code outside the HSM that requires private keys
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12:54 < spudowiar> But my plan is to cross-compile c-lightning to JavaScript and implement TREZOR support :)
12:54 < instagibbs> spudowiar, there a mode for trezor that allows arbitrary signing without click confirmation?
12:55 < spudowiar> instagibbs: No, but I am going to add Lightning-specific code
12:56 < jb55> I wonder how this would work w/ trezor, you would need to be present clicking the button everytime trezor needed to sign something, no?
12:56 < spudowiar> No     
12:56 < spudowiar> Because it will detect those transactions and sign them itself
12:57 < jb55> like in the firmware?
12:57 < spudowiar> Yes     
12:57 < jb55> ah     
12:57 < jb55> makes sense
12:58 < instagibbs> lots to think about with that. I suppose the attacks I'm worrying about are much more remote than the likely loss scenarios with such an early tech
12:59 < jb55> when I made a 600 output tx I had to click the button for each output...
12:59 < jb55> ouch
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12:59 < spudowiar> instagibbs: You would be using Lightning specific keys though for that
13:00 < instagibbs> yeah of course
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13:03 < spudowiar> Anyway, for the record, you can now develop for TREZOR without a TREZOR :P
13:04 < jb55> spudowiar: is there a virtual trezor or something now?
13:04 < spudowiar> Yeah, I implemented it the other day. I use it to run the device tests against it on Travis CI
13:04 < jb55> spudowiar: linkies?
13:05 < spudowiar> Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/spudowiar/status/941043616537079809
13:05 < spudowiar> Usage instructions: https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu#building-for-development
13:05 < spudowiar> Travis CI build: https://travis-ci.org/trezor/trezor-mcu/jobs/318774265
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13:07 < jb55> very cool, thx
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14:07 < cdecker> spudowiar, how much memory does the trezor have? It might be possible to check the plausibility of a forwarded payment (never sign stuff for which you didn't get an incoming matching payment)
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14:08 < spudowiar> cdecker: I need to read up a bit more on Lightning, but the TREZOR can ask for associated transactions
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14:09 < cdecker> Well it'd actually have to store something in order not to fall for a replay
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18:55 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vbMvm
18:55 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/master 8618c8a Rusty Russell: BOLT 7: there's no htlc_expiry, it's called cltv_expiry....
18:55 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell closed pull request #329: BOLT-11 Edits (master...bolt11) https://git.io/vbozo
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22:25 < jb55> rusty: are those sipa units described somewhere?
22:25 < rusty> jb55: https://twitter.com/rusty_twit/status/933864183585685504 :)
22:26 < jb55> haha
22:28 < jb55> hmm I guess I'll look up how the weight is defined
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23:49 < rusty> jb55: I broke master, due to bad rebase (I merged before Travis finished, sigh).  So your tree will break under travis too.  I'm waiting for the fix to pass travis, then will instamerge.
23:49 < jb55> rusty: I also pushed onto an older master, I rebased again
23:49 < jb55> looks like it's still failing though
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