--- Day changed Sat Dec 23 2017 00:22 -!- sgt-miller [9d30f96a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.157.48.249.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:36 -!- surj [~surj@modemcable093.221-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:15 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 01:19 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:28 -!- checksauce [~checksauc@49.229.90.26] has joined #lightning-dev 01:30 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 01:30 -!- llou [~textual@85.152.207.115] has joined #lightning-dev 01:32 -!- llou [~textual@85.152.207.115] has quit [Client Quit] 01:34 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:38 -!- checksauce [~checksauc@49.229.90.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38 -!- llou [~textual@85.152.207.115] has joined #lightning-dev 01:38 -!- llou [~textual@85.152.207.115] has quit [Client Quit] 01:58 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 02:01 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:12 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 02:14 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:23 -!- llou [~textual@85.152.207.115] has joined #lightning-dev 02:30 -!- llou [~textual@85.152.207.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:51 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@host-80-43-143-211.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:05 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@80.12.38.225] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:11 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 03:35 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 03:38 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00 -!- m8tion [~user@88.190.249.49] has joined #lightning-dev 04:15 < Sentineo> Hi, how is the problem of the other party in the channel not monitoring the chain solved? I know there can be some services which will monitor the blockchain for me, and thus I could go offline and be certain I am not defrauded. 04:16 < Sentineo> is this solved in any client, or the implementation of such "market" is not yet done? 04:16 <+roasbeef> Sentineo: the other party? in a purely adversarial setting, you don't really care about them 04:16 <+roasbeef> in a sense 04:17 < Sentineo> ok no sure what purely adversarial setting menas :) not a native english speaker 04:17 < Sentineo> do you mean having a 3rd part involved? 04:18 < Sentineo> would there be a cese where I could loose fund cause I lost connection to Internet and fail to monitor the blockchain? 04:20 <+roasbeef> Sentineo: when opening a channel you set the CSV parameter, this is the interval you should come online to check the chain, if you're not outsourcing monitoring 04:21 <+roasbeef> so this can be w/e you want, you offer to the other side, and maybe they accept it: so days, weeks, etc 04:26 < Sentineo> ah ok 04:26 < Sentineo> so what I was asking is if that outsourcing thing is e.g. in any lightning client, or a thing still to be created 04:28 <+roasbeef> we have an impl that's like 65% finished, not yet released 04:28 -!- Kozuch [~Kozuch@81.0.198.168] has joined #lightning-dev 04:36 < Sentineo> ah ok cool 04:36 < Sentineo> so much stuff done and ready! 04:37 < Sentineo> I tough it will be ready for testing in 2020 :D 04:37 < Sentineo> impressed with all that work done roasbeef ! 04:39 -!- m8tion [~user@88.190.249.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:40 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:c053:48df:45d:a5fb] has joined #lightning-dev 04:45 -!- jtimon [~quassel@164.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 04:45 -!- jtimon [~quassel@164.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:51 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 04:52 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping 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Why set any minimum? 13:49 -!- dviola [~diego@unaffiliated/dviola] has left #lightning-dev ["WeeChat 2.0.1"] 14:00 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 14:03 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:17 -!- spinza [~spin@196.212.164.26] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught up with me...] 14:22 -!- spinza [~spin@196.212.164.26] has joined #lightning-dev 14:37 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 14:48 < adiabat> if it's too small to be spent, you shouldn't add it to your channel state 14:49 < rusty> adiabat: indeed, but currently we have a static dust limit. 14:51 < mryandao> is there a separate project working on watchtowers? 14:52 < mryandao> or is it something most lightning nodes will also be running? 14:52 < mryandao> to help out our friends who may have gone offline 15:01 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 15:04 < fresheneesz> adiabat could you explain that further? Why would something be too small to be spent? Doesn't having an appropriately sized fee allow you to send 1 satoshi if you want to? 15:08 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:13 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-68-232-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:19 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:21 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 15:46 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@2601:182:cd00:2dd1:9991:32d6:abec:1410] has joined #lightning-dev 15:55 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:c053:48df:45d:a5fb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 16:09 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:18 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:20 -!- Kozuch [~Kozuch@81.0.198.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:27 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9] 16:27 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70.36.49.138] has joined #lightning-dev 17:20 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70.36.49.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:04 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@240f:d:e193:1:3934:dd69:c594:84] has joined #lightning-dev 18:04 -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xjihrsptuiejojvr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:10 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 18:11 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 18:12 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 18:12 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:13 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22 -!- Mr1 [2eb9bf9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.185.191.158] has joined #lightning-dev 18:22 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32 < Mr1> hi 18:36 < jb55> hi 19:09 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@240f:d:e193:1:3934:dd69:c594:84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16 -!- riclas [~riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:56 -!- jasidfjaweifjawe [4a532c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.83.44.129] has joined #lightning-dev 20:00 -!- jasidfjaweifjawe [4a532c81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.83.44.129] has quit [Client Quit] 20:15 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 20:19 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:39 < Mr1> any one have idea when lightning network will be ready for bitcoin ? like weeks months ? 20:39 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:44 < lndbot1> Does lightning c support bolt 11? 20:47 < lndbot1> Do watch towers need a full node or will a light client like neutrino enough? What about electrum like client? 20:48 < mlz> lightning c devs wrote bolt 11 20:48 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-68-232-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 20:48 < lndbot1> How do I pay lntb... Invoice in lightning c? 20:49 < mlz> probably similar to how you pay in lnd and eclair 20:49 < lndbot1> But it says incorrect format or something 20:50 < mlz> then you're using an incorrect format 20:50 < lndbot1> `cli/lightning-cli sendpay "$route" ` 20:50 < lndbot1> Bolt 11 has more things other than just rhash right 20:52 < mlz> no clue 20:52 < adiabat> fresheneesz: you wouldn't spend a 1 satoshi output, because it would cost much more to spend it 20:53 < adiabat> so a node offering you a 1 satoshi HTLC is not a real offer; you're can't spend the money 21:26 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 21:36 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 21:38 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@2601:182:cd00:2dd1:9991:32d6:abec:1410] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:47 -!- surj [~surj@modemcable093.221-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lightning-dev 22:20 -!- blyat__ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 22:23 -!- blyat_ [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:41 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-68-232-79.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:49 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 23:09 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has joined #lightning-dev 23:11 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:14 -!- Mr1 [2eb9bf9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.185.191.158] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:34 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:35 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:36 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 23:39 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 23:47 -!- surj [~surj@modemcable093.221-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:57 -!- surj [~surj@modemcable093.221-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lightning-dev