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[~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 16:05 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.48] has joined #lightning-dev 16:12 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 16:12 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has joined #lightning-dev 16:13 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 16:16 < surj> Quick question: If someone pushes an old commitment transaction on chain (i.e. tries to rip me off) 16:16 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 16:16 < surj> can I use that transaction as an input to my commitment transaction? 16:16 < surj> sorry, my revocation transaction (I think that's the right term) 16:16 < surj> and the do something like child pays for parent 16:17 < surj> to get it to confirm quickly? I could set the fees to be as large as the channel capacity and it would still be free for me 16:17 < surj> right? 16:25 -!- rusty2 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 16:25 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 16:43 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 16:58 -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@p98110-ipngnfx01marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lightning-dev 17:05 -!- jb55 [~jb55@208.98.200.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:15 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 17:16 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:25 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 17:29 -!- ighezzi [~ighezzi@151.66.219.7] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:29 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:35 -!- drexl [~drexl@62.112.9.166] has quit [Quit: drexl] 17:37 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38 -!- Tennis [~Tennis@unaffiliated/tennis] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.10] has joined #lightning-dev 17:48 <+roasbeef> surj: you don't even need to do cpfp, you can just use their funds (that you're revoking) to push towards fees, until either: you spend all their money to fees, or they end up spending even more and end of net negative 17:59 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 18:02 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:24 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 18:24 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:25 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 18:34 -!- melvster [~melvin@86.49.18.198] has joined #lightning-dev 18:39 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.23] has joined #lightning-dev 18:40 < Amperture> Something occurred to me 18:41 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:42 < Amperture> We both hold a 2of2 transaction with only our counterparty's signature correct. How and when are the fees for that transaction determined? In the event a channel needs to be closed, how to we know the closing transaction will be high enough fee to confirm? 18:42 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: .] 18:43 -!- NicolasDorier [sid129442@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ptmfbdohbnexzhjp] has joined #lightning-dev 18:45 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip68-100-207-91.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 18:54 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@aoe110.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 18:58 -!- JackH [~laptop@aqk142.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:11 -!- melvster [~melvin@86.49.18.198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 19:36 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 19:38 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:39 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:49 < surj> roasbeef: Fantastic! Thanks for answering my questions dude, helps me fight the fud 19:52 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #lightning-dev 19:53 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:53 < molz> Amperture, you can set your fee rate 19:54 < Amperture> So it turns out "when" actually is a pretty important question when it comes to setting fees. 19:54 < Amperture> Now that I think of it 19:57 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [] 20:08 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 20:11 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 20:21 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:22 -!- bobdsss is now known as Rozal 20:28 -!- stiell [~stian@fsf/member/stiell] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33 -!- stiell [~stian@fsf/member/stiell] has joined #lightning-dev 21:31 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 21:34 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:58 -!- melik [~melik@97.90.42.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.44] has joined #lightning-dev 22:06 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:10 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@46.243.136.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:39 -!- rusty2 [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:47 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has joined #lightning-dev