--- Day changed Tue Jan 23 2018 00:04 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@2600:1012:b013:3519:91b2:f398:a78e:cf23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@80.12.27.180] has joined #lightning-dev 00:06 -!- afilini [~textual@2-229-240-7.ip199.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lightning-dev 00:07 -!- bajohns [bajohns@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bajohns] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:08 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ogwamnltuwbbzzoq] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:09 -!- IAmNotCicada3301 [~blebon@unaffiliated/blebon] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vrbjgzskduprsivf] has joined #lightning-dev 00:10 -!- afilini [~textual@2-229-240-7.ip199.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Client Quit] 00:20 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has joined #lightning-dev 00:21 < ZmnSCPxj> Good morning ianthius, regarding your FOOSPRESSO service, I suppose a metaservice can be created that provides a (non-smart) contract: 00:22 < ZmnSCPxj> "Open a channel to one of our servers (any amount > 0.5mBTC), pay us 0.5mBTC, and we will fund a channel from another server going to you with 150mBTC and promise to keep it open for at least 3 months" 00:23 < ZmnSCPxj> If that metaservice is attached to a BTC<->fiat exchange, it could also provide an "onramping" service for BTC purchasers, where it creates a channel to the BTC buyer and sends the BTC via Lightning. 00:25 < ZmnSCPxj> Now this is a centralization concern admittedly, but tech-savvy users can simply connect directly to services they like, and if that service has an outgoing node elsewhere, the funds there are not "locked" really 00:26 < ZmnSCPxj> If you have friends who have been on LN for a long time and have kept their depleted channels, they can open a new channel to you for free, and replenshi their depleted channels when FOOSPRESSO sells coffee 00:26 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@80.12.27.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:31 -!- mughat [~textual@x1-6-28-c6-8e-30-bf-4a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 04:09 -!- jjnaude [69d45eb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.105.212.94.184] has joined #lightning-dev 04:10 -!- Pavle [~pavle_@unaffiliated/pavle/x-4679000] has joined #lightning-dev 04:22 -!- TD-Linux [~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:25 < jjnaude> Hi all. I've recently fired up c-lightning in order to buy some swag from blockstream. While I had some success (node is up and running and has 2 funded channels), I also have some questions. 04:26 < jjnaude> Everything ran smoothly up to the point where I had to fund the channel. I initially tried to fund it with the full amount as listed by listfunds, but got an error message to the effect that I had insufficient funds. 04:28 -!- TD-Linux [~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux] has joined #lightning-dev 04:29 -!- Tennis [~Tennis@unaffiliated/tennis] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:29 < jjnaude> I deduced that this must be because of the on-chain fee that needs to be included. Now while I understand that I have control of the fee-RATE (sat/kW) that will be paid (via bitcoin-cli?) this still does not tell me what the final fee will be (since I do not know the weight of the funding tx). So my first question is whether the API provides some mechanism for me to determine this so that I can fully exhaust my available fund 04:30 < jjnaude> I've scanned the available CLI commands and could not find any such info. 04:33 < jjnaude> I then tried to determine an appropriate amount experimentally (by gradually reducing the funding of the channel) but in one step I accidentally omitted a 0 and ended up funding a channel with only 10% of what I intended. After this I found that I could not open another channel to the blockstream store (presumably since I already have an open channel). Is this a bug? What are my options here? 04:34 -!- pierce [x43matrixo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jodkikiwgdozezbg] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:34 < jjnaude> Should I close my initial channel in order to be able to open a larger capacity one? 04:37 < jjnaude> I then decided to open a secondary channel to another well connected node that also has a large capacity channel (500000 sat) to the BS store. Presumably my payment could be routed through there. I again tried reducing the funding amount gradually and managed to fund the channel, but in the process also created a change output that is probably unspendably small.  04:37 -!- marcoagner [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/marcoagner] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:41 < jjnaude> I then tried to do the payment, but am met with "failed: INVALID 0 (WIRE_TEMPORARY_CHANNEL_FAILURE: Capacity exceeded)". Now I am not sure how lightningd is trying to route this payment. If it is being routed directly (via my 1st channel which goes straight to BS store) then it makes sense that there is insufficient capacity, but the routing really should see this and take the longer route. 04:44 -!- Tennis [~Tennis@unaffiliated/tennis] has joined #lightning-dev 04:46 -!- pierce [x43matrixo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-uappmclglsuziipw] has joined #lightning-dev 04:51 < jjnaude> I suspect this to be the case, because it consistently returns this single hop route, even when I try to getroute to SLEEPYARK (the BS Store node) irrespective of the size of the payment I try to route. 04:53 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:53 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 04:57 -!- mughat [~textual@x1-6-28-c6-8e-30-bf-4a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #lightning-dev 04:58 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vrbjgzskduprsivf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:03 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 05:09 -!- afilini [~textual@212.91.77.39] has joined #lightning-dev 05:13 -!- takinbo [sid19838@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cfoexchavewmtllj] has joined #lightning-dev 05:15 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 05:20 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.241.150] has joined #lightning-dev 05:21 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.241.150] has left #lightning-dev [] 05:24 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.241.150] has joined #lightning-dev 05:25 -!- Amperture [~amp@24.136.5.183] has joined #lightning-dev 05:25 -!- nemgun [~nemgun@105.101.241.150] has left #lightning-dev [] 05:25 < buZz> wow, clightning -requires- to be run on same machine as bitcoind ? :( sad 05:31 < buZz> madness 05:31 < buZz> why doesnt it just use RPC interface like a normal person? 05:32 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-geiowgbexzgypmle] has joined #lightning-dev 05:34 < nickler> buZz: who says it does? I've used clightning on a different machine than bitcoind. It just uses RPC. 05:35 < buZz> https://hastebin.com/geyixohaja.vbs 05:36 < lxer> i think you can copy bitcoin-cli to that machine 05:36 < buZz> but wtf does it need it for, it can just do RPC calls by itself 05:39 < buZz> nickler: any pointers how you set it up? 05:41 < nickler> what lxer said 05:46 < buZz> that still doesnt allow me to specify a host for bitcoind 05:48 < lxer> in bitcoin.conf perhaps? (just guessing) 05:48 < buZz> you can give rpcconnect= to bitcoin-cli on commandline, but i dont see it accepting similar from bitcoin.conf 05:49 < nickler> yes, create a bitcoin.conf in your ~/.bitcoin with rpcconnect 05:49 < buZz> still nope 05:49 < nickler> whatever arguements you can give to bitcoin-cli you can also put into your ibtcoin.conf 05:50 < buZz> buzz@lightning:~$ ./bitcoin-cli --rpcconnect=bitcoin.lan getinfo 05:50 < buZz> that works fine 05:50 < buZz> yet, the same rpcconnect= in bitcoin.conf has no effect 05:50 < buZz> (to lightningd) 05:50 < lxer> host=192.168.... 05:50 < buZz> ./bitcoin-cli getinfo even works 05:51 < buZz> but ./lightningd does not 05:51 < nickler> you additionally need to configure your bitcoind to listen on an external ip with rpcbind, and you need to whitelist the ip yyour connecting from 05:51 < buZz> it already is 05:51 < buZz> not external though, that would be silly , just my internal lan ;) 05:51 < buZz> with working bitcoin-cli inside my lightning VM i get ; 05:51 < buZz> https://hastebin.com/qumalehisi.vbs 05:52 < buZz> oh wait 05:52 < buZz> i think i got it :P 05:52 < buZz> yez \o 05:52 < buZz> --network bitcoin 05:52 < buZz> ;) 05:52 < nickler> nice! 06:07 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:17 < capa66> lxer: do i have to put this to make lightning_gos listen on other than localhost ? 06:19 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 06:22 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 06:43 -!- jjnaude [69d45eb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.105.212.94.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:52 -!- mikus [3e1791da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.23.145.218] has joined #lightning-dev 06:57 < Sentineo> does c-lightning have any gui frontend like lnd does 06:57 < Sentineo> ? 06:58 < instagibbs> Sentineo, no 06:58 < instagibbs> well, it has the storefront... does that count :) 06:58 < Sentineo> nope :) it does not 06:59 -!- jjnaude [69d43a40@gateway/web/freenode/ip.105.212.58.64] has joined #lightning-dev 07:04 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:07 -!- afilini [~textual@212.91.77.39] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. 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When trying to pay, I'm getting this error message: htlc 22 failed from 0th node with code 0x1007 (WIRE_TEMPORARY_CHANNEL_FAILURE) - Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? `listpeers` shows a peer with "connected": true and "state": "CHANNELD_NORMAL" and funds looks ok and sufficient 08:17 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 08:26 -!- eihli [~eihli@c-73-241-104-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:30 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.199.160] has joined #lightning-dev 08:36 < buZz> xabbix: did you fund a channel? 08:37 < crabel> Anybody having issues getting miekg/dns to load? I can't even pull it directly 08:37 < xocite> What does it mean that a channel has no outputs? 08:43 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.191.199.160] has quit [] 08:48 -!- eihli [~eihli@c-73-241-104-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:49 -!- RCasatta [b989ccc5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.185.137.204.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:55 < xabbix> buZz: Yes I did, funds are also confirmed (>20 conf) 08:56 < crabel> I found context here https://godoc.org/golang.org/x/net/context 08:56 < xabbix> buZz: gist with full log, if that helps: https://gist.github.com/orweinberger/44a773a7991999d4d847bd2679498e3a 08:59 -!- Deelight [~Deelight@79.86.68.75] has joined #lightning-dev 09:04 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 09:15 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:18 -!- crabel_ [4989e145@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.137.225.69] has joined #lightning-dev 09:20 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:21 -!- crabel [4989e145@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.137.225.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:22 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 09:25 < cdecker> xabbix, channel 504824:955:0 doesn't have enough funds to forward your payment 09:25 < cdecker> Working on disabling a channel when it returns an error 09:26 < cdecker> See PR #638 for the fix 09:26 < xabbix> cdecker: So one of the peers in the route doesn't have the funds to complete this transaction? 09:26 < xabbix> I have two routes available, can I choose the other one? Maybe that one has enough funds? 09:36 -!- eihli [~eihli@c-73-241-104-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:49 -!- xocite [local@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/xocite] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:51 -!- xocite [local@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/xocite] has joined #lightning-dev 09:51 -!- xocite [local@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/xocite] has quit [Client Quit] 09:54 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 09:59 < cdecker> Try fiddling with the risk-factor in the getroute call 10:00 -!- HoloIRCUser6 [~holoirc@cpe-76-181-129-176.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:00 < xabbix> cdecker: I now get "Could not find route" for any amount/rf I'm placing. 10:01 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 10:01 < xabbix> When running listpeers it says "connected": false. I guess that's why 10:02 < cdecker> Yep, that's also a good reason not to forward payments xD 10:02 < xabbix> cdecker: Sorry for the newbie question, but if I restart my lightning node and reconnect to the same peer, will I'll be able to access my funds? 10:06 < xabbix> cdecker: I restarted my lightning node, still says "connected": false, even though I can see that remote host/port are answering. Wonder whats up 10:07 < xabbix> Funding tx announce ready, but peer is not owned by channeld 10:08 < cdecker> Ok, can you reconnect manually? Just call `connect [id] [ip]` like you did the first time 10:09 < xabbix> trying, getting this in the log TRACE: try_reach_peer: already trying to reach 035f1498c929d4cefba4701ae36a554691f526ff60b1766badd5a49b3c8b68e1d8 10:10 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 10:10 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:10 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lightning-dev 10:11 -!- StopAndDecrypt_ [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:14 < buZz> wee 10:14 < buZz> just ordered LN stickers and a shirt \o 10:16 < lndbot> @buZz are those shirts and stickers real itens? 10:17 -!- wxss [~user@192-30-89-169.baremetal.cloudsingularity.net] has joined #lightning-dev 10:17 < buZz> afaik yes :D 10:18 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-geiowgbexzgypmle] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:18 < cdecker> xabbix, that means that the remote peer is not currently reachable 10:22 < buZz> bit silly that that store doesnt email confirmation? 10:23 < xabbix> cdecker: thanks for the help 10:23 < xabbix> appreciate it 10:24 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:29 -!- afilini [~textual@212.91.77.39] has joined #lightning-dev 10:31 -!- afilini [~textual@212.91.77.39] has quit [Client Quit] 10:35 < cdecker> buZz, working on it :-) 10:40 -!- bajohns [bajohns@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bajohns] has joined #lightning-dev 10:43 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 10:44 < buZz> cdecker: could you confirm narcelio's questions? are the products real? :P 10:44 < buZz> -plural 10:45 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 10:51 -!- vigorousbearhunt [~vigorousb@gateway/tor-sasl/vigorousbearhunt] has joined #lightning-dev 11:07 -!- xabbix [4fb1a15d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.177.161.93] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:12 -!- vitaminc [~vitaminc@192.5.151.254] has joined #lightning-dev 11:23 -!- plankers [~plank@c-98-238-141-78.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 11:28 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lightning-dev 11:57 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 12:10 -!- ET_ [6039f8fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.57.248.252] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:29 -!- capa66 [capa66@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/capa66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30 -!- capa66 [capa66@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/capa66] has joined #lightning-dev 12:35 -!- afilini [~textual@2-229-240-7.ip199.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lightning-dev 12:38 -!- plankers [~plank@c-98-238-141-78.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:50 < buZz> lol, i can already imagine the mountains of ppl complaining about msatoshi :D 12:50 < buZz> gotta prepare some memes for that 12:52 < spudowiar> buZz: Does anyone know the identity of msatoshi? 12:52 < buZz> mom satoshi's identity is still unknown 12:53 < spudowiar> msatoshi is 1/1000 the person satoshi is! 13:01 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lwcabvtkfmybtjpt] has joined #lightning-dev 13:04 -!- j8g3 [~j8g3@77-58-86-2.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lightning-dev 13:05 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1] 13:10 -!- tlp [~tlp@unaffiliated/tlp] has joined #lightning-dev 13:11 -!- monst [49836df9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.131.109.249] has joined #lightning-dev 13:11 < monst> hop3y: did you ever solve "WIRE_UNKNOWN_NEXT_PEER"? 13:12 < monst> looks like it might be because I only have 4 confs 13:14 -!- dom_eclair_ [~dom_eclai@80.12.27.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20 -!- dom_eclair [~dom_eclai@80.12.27.180] has joined #lightning-dev 13:22 -!- cncr04s [~cncr04s@unaffiliated/cncr04s] has joined #lightning-dev 13:24 -!- afilini [~textual@2-229-240-7.ip199.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. 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There is 2.6btc in channels on mainnet now. 18:33 < Emcy> at least they know the risks 18:35 <+roasbeef> do they thooo? 18:35 <+roasbeef> kek 18:42 -!- truk_ [~truk@184.75.223.211] has joined #lightning-dev 18:45 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19 -!- mughat [~textual@x1-6-28-c6-8e-30-bf-4a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #lightning-dev 19:20 < Emcy> roasbeef i hope so. They better not whine if they lose coins. 19:22 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:23 -!- vtnerd [~Lee@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lightning-dev 19:26 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26 -!- grubles [~grubles@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #lightning-dev 19:31 -!- Felix123123 [68a3b588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.163.181.136] has joined #lightning-dev 19:32 < meshcollider> cluelessperson: lets talk here rather than lnd specific channel 19:33 -!- riclas [riclas@72.210.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:41 -!- Felix123123 [68a3b588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.163.181.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:55 -!- Doombatz [~dummy@209.35.78.83.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined #lightning-dev 19:58 -!- Felix123123 [68a3b588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.163.181.136] has joined #lightning-dev 20:00 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 20:01 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 20:01 < jojeyh> quick question: if a node has to find a channel to open with in order to begin making payments, and there is no peer-to-peer way of broadcasting before this connection? if that is the case, then would trusted advertised nodes begin acting like central hubs? 20:01 < jojeyh> meaning because most people are using this same node to enter the network, it will naturally form a hub in the network? 20:02 < jojeyh> like you get all the channels once you have a single connection correct? but you always have a connection open with that initial node you used to connect ot he network? 20:05 -!- Felix123123 [68a3b588@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.163.181.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:16 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:18 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 20:31 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@110.140.192.69] has joined #lightning-dev 20:33 -!- contrapumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34 -!- propumpkin [~copumpkin@haskell/developer/copumpkin] has joined #lightning-dev 20:39 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has joined #lightning-dev 20:41 < ZmnSCPxj> good morning jojeyh, only partly a concern depending on your autopilot algorithm. 20:41 < ZmnSCPxj> there is no need to retain the initial connection to the first node you connect to 20:42 < ZmnSCPxj> In addition, there is no need to make channels to the first node you connect to 20:42 -!- jjnaude [69d43a40@gateway/web/freenode/ip.105.212.58.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:42 < jojeyh> ZmnSCPxj, so connecting to that initial peer doesn't require opening a channel or funding? 20:43 < ZmnSCPxj> no 20:43 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:43 < jojeyh> got it 20:43 < jojeyh> good morn to you as well 20:43 < jojeyh> though its night here lol 20:43 < ZmnSCPxj> it is just a connection, you get gossip but no obligation to make a channel 20:43 < ZmnSCPxj> it is always morning here 20:43 -!- ZmnSCPxj [9258463b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.146.88.70.59] has quit [Client Quit] 20:43 -!- truk_ [~truk@184.75.223.211] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48 < jojeyh> alaska? 20:48 < jojeyh> lol 20:48 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:56 -!- Ulmo [1804e4d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.24.4.228.213] has joined #lightning-dev 20:57 < Ulmo> Hello! I just restarted my lightningd, and the channels are all listed as "active:false" and "public:false", but before I shut down lightningd before, it had many active channels. How long does it take for them to become active again? 20:58 < meshcollider> Ulmo: you might want to ask in #c-lightning 20:58 < Ulmo> Thank you 21:10 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:12 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 21:29 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:35 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:36 -!- Ulmo [1804e4d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.24.4.228.213] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37 -!- Ulmo [1804e4d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.24.4.228.213] has joined #lightning-dev 21:38 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39 -!- ebx [~ebx@12.226.6.52] has joined #lightning-dev 21:40 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 21:42 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 21:58 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:04 -!- Doombatz [~dummy@209.35.78.83.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [] 22:05 < Ulmo> Any idea how to increase fee paid in transaction? 22:15 < waxwing> is this statement accurate (I think it isn't, but i'm not clear on details): you could make a LN consisting of unidirectional channels in both directions, instead of bidirectional channels, but the main disadvantage would be less capital efficiency/no netting. 22:15 -!- jojeyh [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:20ff:29a4:c81c:7488] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:17 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:19 -!- r251d [~r251d@2600:1700:e350:37f0:34b6:e62a:9029:496b] has joined #lightning-dev 22:21 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 22:21 -!- ponzibanker [~ponzibank@cpe-72-177-82-77.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ponzibanker] 22:28 -!- Murch [~murch@c-73-223-113-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:30 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:32 -!- jjnaude [69d45e8f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.105.212.94.143] has joined #lightning-dev 22:34 -!- Ulmo [1804e4d5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.24.4.228.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:37 <+roasbeef> waxwing: did you ever look at duplex? 22:38 < waxwing> roasbeef, no i don't think i got round to it 22:38 <+roasbeef> more or less that's what it does, you need to "reset" those bi-directional channels periodically, so they use this invalidation tree for it 22:38 < waxwing> basically someone was asking me, what about onlineness requirement (hot wallet) 22:38 < waxwing> because it's true isn't it that with uni- , you don't need hot wallet on receiver side 22:39 <+roasbeef> thing is, even in a regular channel you could just create a nested commitment with a uni-directional channel, which tehre are advandtages to as far a latency for a singel directiom, and it supports more offline-ish payments 22:39 < waxwing> "regular" being bidi- here? 22:39 <+roasbeef> yeh 22:39 <+roasbeef> we fly high, bi-di, you know this 22:39 < waxwing> oh. hmm that does sound rather interesting, i have a *very* vague sense of what you meant there. 22:40 < waxwing> so roasbeef what about something like a PoS terminal 22:40 < waxwing> would there be a way to avoid it having to do signings? 22:40 <+roasbeef> so we have our current commitment, I add a new output, this output itself is actually another multi-sig, we then basically "recurse" into this and that's a uni-directional channel that we can update, independantly of the channel "outside" this 22:41 <+roasbeef> well with the way bolt11 works now, there's some signing going on fwiww... 22:41 <+roasbeef> but yeh coould rotate thru pubkeys somehow on the terminal, public derivation or w/e, then peoplecould use that ti make direct uni-directional channels, or just a generic, then figure out what contracts are being use later 22:41 <+roasbeef> never considered that 22:42 < waxwing> but just to get the simple stuff clear; as it stands you couldn't have a way for something like a pos to receive payments in lightning without hot walletness 22:42 < waxwing> i guess it would have to be pinging something remote if the hot wallet wasn't on the device 22:42 < waxwing> assume there is a question mark somewhere in there :) 22:42 <+roasbeef> yeh it can still be segragated 22:43 <+roasbeef> depends on if the pos is just like a tablet lol 22:43 < waxwing> right i mean existing PoS for bitcoin (don't laugh!) would probably not be signing devices i think? 22:44 < waxwing> so stuff like stripe(hah!) square ... this stuff would have to be a different thing if they were lightning 22:44 <+roasbeef> idk, in sf everyone has those tablet thingys 22:44 < waxwing> which we need for the promotional videos, this is what counts after all... 22:46 <+roasbeef> waxwing: did you see this? https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/955964256331055104 22:46 < waxwing> actually i did briefly, good point roasbeef 22:46 < waxwing> damn it's on a loop now heh 22:47 < waxwing> but, so you're assuming that PoS will be hot and "en-channeled" right? 22:47 <+roasbeef> depends really 22:47 <+roasbeef> it could just hit some server 22:48 < waxwing> right. ok thanks. i do like the embedding idea. 22:48 < waxwing> that's kind of graduate-level lightning tho, maybe slightly beyond me for now. 22:48 <+roasbeef> channels all the way down 22:53 -!- Deelight [~Deelight@75.68.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:54 -!- Deelight [~Deelight@75.68.86.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:54 -!- r251d [~r251d@2600:1700:e350:37f0:34b6:e62a:9029:496b] has quit [Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com]