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(my min/max, your min max, initiator choice within intersection .. something like that) 05:12 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-igrkulieriyritqa] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:17 -!- whphhg [~whphhg@unaffiliated/whphhg] has joined #lightning-dev 05:17 -!- afilini [~textual@2-229-240-7.ip199.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lightning-dev 05:19 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has joined #lightning-dev 05:24 -!- vitaminc_ [~vitaminc@192.5.151.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:25 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 05:25 -!- vitaminc [~vitaminc@192.5.151.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:27 -!- amp__ [~amp@24.136.5.183] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:28 -!- Amperture [~amp@24.136.5.183] has joined #lightning-dev 05:36 < contrapumpkin> it seems like the fees for the recovery transactions have to be set when the channel first opens, and not when you need to use them 05:36 < contrapumpkin> that seems like it could be annoying in a volatile fee market, since I don't think RBF would work here would it? 05:37 -!- afilini [~textual@2-229-240-7.ip199.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 05:37 < contrapumpkin> I guess you might try some other way to make the transaction appealing to miners 05:41 -!- afilini [~textual@2-229-240-7.ip199.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lightning-dev 05:46 < waxwing> well, if you force-close a channel, then you can only use the transactions you already signed (you can't negotiate if the counterparty disappeared). but also in that scenario you have to wait a long time anyway right. 05:47 < waxwing> iirc (?) there is fee negotiation in cooperative close 05:47 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.207.185] has joined #lightning-dev 05:47 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.207.185] has quit [Changing host] 05:47 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 05:56 < waxwing> yeah seems so, see closing_signed in BOLT2 06:32 < contrapumpkin> waxwing: oh I mean in the uncooperative one 06:32 < contrapumpkin> waxwing: so say you and I opened a channel 3 years ago when fees were negligible, with a really low fee. And we both sat on it until now, but now we have a dispute and I say "fuck it" and close the channel 06:33 < contrapumpkin> would my attempt to close fail because the transaction has no fees 06:36 < Sentineo> can't the fee be deduced from the channel balance? (noob question) 06:36 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 06:38 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 06:39 < waxwing> i haven't thought about this much (others will give better answers), but to Sentineo : the thing to remember is you can only post transactions to the blockchain for which you have signatures, and signatures cover fees (even explicitly, in segwit case) 06:39 < waxwing> so for those transactions that require both sides to sign, that's a limitation 06:40 < waxwing> contrapumpkin, i don't know but perhaps the fact that very long lived channels are getting updated means that isn't really a problem in practice? 06:40 < p3tr> meaning you would update the fee in the commitment tx's during the lifetime of the channel? 06:40 < waxwing> (i mean, clearly, in the general sense, volatility of fees *is* a problem, just a question of how much) 06:41 < waxwing> p3tr, well every time you update channel state you sign new versions of the commitment tx right 06:41 < waxwing> so i guess so 06:41 < p3tr> yep, i'm just making sure I understood you 06:41 < p3tr> yeah i think that would work 06:41 < p3tr> it would also be a good idea to close unused channels just for this exact scenario contrapumpkin mentioned 06:41 < p3tr> or maybe not... i dont really know 06:42 < AmikoPay_CJP> I think you can also (cooperatively) update the fee of an open channel if there are no transactions going on. 06:45 -!- mn3monic [~xxwa@unaffiliated/mn3monic] has joined #lightning-dev 06:45 < p3tr> true 06:46 < waxwing> ah there is a specific update_fee message in BOLT2 06:46 < waxwing> the rationale for it may be worth a read: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/02-peer-protocol.md#rationale-9 06:49 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 06:54 < mlz> oh waxwing is here 06:55 < mlz> maybe you can solve this issue with c-lightning: [lncli] rpc error: code = Code(202) desc = feerate_per_kw 6000 above maximum 1270 06:55 < mlz> :D 06:55 < mlz> it's been days and nobody can give me an answer if this is going to be solved 06:57 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:57 < waxwing> i've used my expertise to figure it out. the problem is that your feerate is above the maximum 1270. 06:58 < waxwing> mlz, jokes aside, isn't there a c-lightning channel tho? separate from this one. pretty sure there is, although i'm not in it. 06:58 < mlz> i think it's *their" fee rate meaning clightning's rate 06:58 < mlz> i already asked in there :D 06:59 < mlz> so right now i can't open a channel with this clightning node both from lnd and eclair clients 06:59 < waxwing> well, iiuc from reading the BOLT, the sender is the one choosing the fees always(?) 06:59 < waxwing> but the receiver can reject if out of range (see link i just linked) 07:00 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:01 < mlz> ah so maybe the clightning node rejects the txs 07:02 < waxwing> the receiving node MUST fail the channel if: "it considers feerate_per_kw too small for timely processing or unreasonably large." 07:03 < waxwing> well, that's on channel open, but there's a similar statement if the fee is updated. 07:06 -!- afilini [~textual@2-229-240-7.ip199.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:09 < mlz> ah sounds like it 07:09 < mlz> so LN devs need to have a Thunder Table and get together to solve these fee nightmarish issues 07:11 -!- AmikoPay_CJP [~AmikoPay_@a83-163-77-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:12 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 07:13 < waxwing> heh, a "Thunder Table", i like it 07:14 -!- droark [~droark@c-24-22-123-27.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 07:14 < mlz> with eclair, a dev said it's not a fee issue, i gave him the logs 07:14 < waxwing> it's one of the harder parts of getting the spec right i guess. what they seem to have done is (a) make it the sender who chooses, with receiver sanity checks (b) allow it to be updated. 07:24 -!- p3tr [~p3tr@srv.p3tr.cz] has left #lightning-dev [] 07:28 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@62.68.195.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:29 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.207.185] has joined #lightning-dev 07:29 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.207.185] has quit [Changing host] 07:29 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 07:37 -!- ighezzi [~ighezzi@212.91.77.39] has joined #lightning-dev 07:38 -!- sk8boy189 [4887ebf6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.135.235.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:39 -!- moctost [~moctost@88.202.178.100] has joined #lightning-dev 07:40 < mlz> yea even with bitcoin core, fee estimation is still hard 07:41 < Sentineo> yeah, if you run median or average on the mempool you get silly numbers 07:41 -!- tla [~tla@cpe-72-135-235-246.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:41 < Sentineo> no wonders those predictions are hard to do 07:42 -!- justus [~justus@x4db37f01.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #lightning-dev 07:42 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 07:44 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:45 < contrapumpkin> the uncooperative redeem txn, does that lose your dishonest counterparty all their money or just reset them to the last good state? 07:45 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:45 < contrapumpkin> (just trying to understand all the incentives at play here) 07:45 < waxwing> the problem with doing it non-interactively (not negotiated) is that you end up with cases like mlz where a node sends a channel open with what it perceives to be reasonable fees and gets outright rejected, instead of there being a negotiation. i guess the software can simply try to do the open channel again. 07:46 < waxwing> contrapumpkin, forced (non-cooperative) close just disburses the money as per the last updated state. 07:46 -!- justus is now known as justusk 07:46 < contrapumpkin> hmm, I see 07:46 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has joined #lightning-dev 07:46 < waxwing> it's if the counterparty tries to broadcast an earlier (and therefore invalid) state that you can punish them with a transaction that claims all the money in the channel. 07:47 < contrapumpkin> doesn't that create an incentive problem? 07:47 < contrapumpkin> it seems like I have no incentive to go to mainnet if you try to screw me out of amounts lower than the current mainnet fees 07:48 < contrapumpkin> because it'll cost me more money to set it right than to just accept the screwage 07:48 < contrapumpkin> if the counterparty lost everything, that'd mitigate that 07:49 -!- pm__ [~pm@11.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:50 < contrapumpkin> what am I missing? 07:51 < waxwing> are you talking about the case where there's no money at stake on one side of the channel? 07:51 < waxwing> then yes this is a known issue 07:51 -!- ponzibanker [~ponzibank@cpe-72-177-82-77.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:52 < pm__> cdecker: hey, looks like c-lightning always sends all announcements even when initial_routing_sync is disabled? 07:53 < pm__> I have tracked down my most spammy peers, they all have NSA codenames 07:53 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:54 < contrapumpkin> waxwing: yeah. Any proposed solutions? 07:55 < waxwing> contrapumpkin, are you sure you aren't conflating two distinct things? 07:55 < waxwing> forced, non-cooperative close doesn't involve cheating, right 07:55 < contrapumpkin> oh I guess my malicious counterparty would never be able to redeem the money he stole from me 07:56 < contrapumpkin> he'd just sort of lock up my funds because it isn't worth my time to fix it 07:56 < contrapumpkin> err, worth my *money 07:56 < waxwing> some time ago tdryja gave a talk part of which discusses the incentive problem of "what happens if a channel is one-sided, then a person could publish an invalid state just to mess with you" 07:56 < waxwing> i'll find it on youtube 07:57 < contrapumpkin> thanks :) 07:57 < waxwing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lgYYz3y_hY first part, i believe 07:57 < contrapumpkin> waxwing: btw, your blog is awesome and I've enjoyed reading all your posts over the past month 07:58 < contrapumpkin> (I tuned out of bitcoin for several years and decided I wanted to catch up with interesting developments) 07:58 < waxwing> oh, thanks. i'd like to write more but i find it hard not to end up writing way too much... 07:59 -!- grafcaps [325a53e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.90.83.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00 < mlz> WUT? I have tracked down my most spammy peers, they all have NSA codenames 08:00 < mlz> lol 08:00 < waxwing> c-lightning does that mlz 08:01 < mlz> i think Eclair users have AXA codenames :D 08:01 < waxwing> personally i think the default alias should be AXA1, AXA2 ... 08:01 < mlz> lol 08:01 < waxwing> heh just as i was writing that you beat me to the punch :) 08:01 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.207.185] has joined #lightning-dev 08:01 -!- shesek [~shesek@5.102.207.185] has quit [Changing host] 08:01 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 08:01 < mlz> lolol 08:02 < mlz> someone on another forum asked us "who's funding Acinq devs?" and I almost told him "AXA" :D 08:04 -!- Murch [~murch@c-73-223-113-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:09 < buZz> rofl 08:09 < buZz> mlz: pouring gasoline on the fire again? :D 08:09 < waxwing> contrapumpkin, right, he called it 'channel exhaustion', at 6 mins, reminds me, i really liked that talk. he talks about probabilistic payments at the end which is slightly crazy but also very cool :) 08:10 < buZz> isnt SLEEPYARK also a NSA codename? 08:10 < buZz> hmm, nope 08:10 -!- LabsterX [ca825cb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.130.92.178] has joined #lightning-dev 08:12 < LabsterX> Hello. I have a question: can I run a lightning node on a machine running bitcoind in the prune mode? 08:13 < buZz> i think nope, but not sure 08:14 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 08:15 < mlz> buZz, lol i don't think he would understand the joke.. we've got so many newbies now 08:15 < LabsterX> so in order to set up a lightning node, you need to at the same time run a FULL bitcoin node? 08:15 < buZz> LabsterX: thats how i understand it, but someone here might know better 08:15 -!- alexann [~Alex@79.125.252.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:16 < contrapumpkin> waxwing: very cool :) at work now but will definitely watch later 08:16 < mlz> you need to learn how bitcoin works and how to set up a bitcoin node first 08:16 < LabsterX> i know how to set up a bitcoin node. 08:16 < LabsterX> i'm already running a bitcoin node (mainnet), but it's in the prune mode, to save some space 08:16 -!- alexann [~Alex@77.29.86.81] has joined #lightning-dev 08:17 < LabsterX> i wonder if i can run lightning node with my bitcoin mode in prune mode 08:17 < mlz> i was told a pruned node might and might not work with c-lightning and i know it def does not work with LND 08:18 < LabsterX> thanks! i'm trying to run c-lightning 08:19 -!- truk_ [~truk@76-227-238-58.lightspeed.frsctx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:24 -!- LabsterX [ca825cb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.130.92.178] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:25 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@91.141.2.176.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lightning-dev 08:30 -!- daouzo235 [~daouzo23@77.119.130.148.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has joined #lightning-dev 08:30 -!- daouzo235 [~daouzo23@77.119.130.148.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31 -!- grafcaps [6889c2ff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.137.194.255] has joined #lightning-dev 08:33 -!- daouzo23 [~daouzo23@91.141.2.176.wireless.dyn.drei.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:34 -!- Murch [~murch@c-73-223-113-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 08:40 -!- sdk_ [d1107512@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.16.117.18] has joined #lightning-dev 08:42 -!- sdk_ [d1107512@gateway/web/freenode/ip.209.16.117.18] has quit [Client Quit] 08:49 < wumpus> it's not recommended to use it with a pruned node, because if lightningd falls too far behind (further than the pruning) it can't get the blocks anymore from bitcoind and will become stuck 08:54 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 08:57 -!- justusk [~justus@x4db37f01.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02 -!- ighezzi [~ighezzi@212.91.77.39] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:06 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:09 -!- Murch [~murch@166.170.36.190] has joined #lightning-dev 09:09 -!- eihli [~eihli@c-73-241-104-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:29 -!- whphhg [~whphhg@unaffiliated/whphhg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29 -!- whphhg [~whphhg@unaffiliated/whphhg] has joined #lightning-dev 09:32 -!- eihli [~eihli@c-73-241-104-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:48 < lndbot> hi i've just been messing around to see if I could adapt the BitcoindMode for lnd to connect to litecoind and I think I got it working. https://ltc.faucet.lightning.community/ is down though? anyone running litecoin testnet nodes? 09:51 < buZz> maybe ask in #litecoin or #litecoin-dev ? 09:52 -!- ath__ [32cdbb03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.205.187.3] has joined #lightning-dev 09:58 -!- pm__ [~pm@11.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:03 < lndbot> sure, i'll just spin up another ltcd node myself too and play around with it 10:04 -!- ath__ [32cdbb03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.205.187.3] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:20 -!- truk_ [~truk@76-227-238-58.lightspeed.frsctx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 10:29 -!- Murch [~murch@166.170.36.190] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 10:43 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:45 -!- sstone [~sstone@3.46-14-84.ripe.coltfrance.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:48 < lxer> Lets say I have received a LN payment, and I now want to make a payment back to that person, would that be possible without that person creating a invoice first? (Can I somehow extract where I should send it to from the previous tx?) 10:49 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 10:50 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lightning-dev 10:56 -!- Murch [~murch@mobile-166-170-38-30.mycingular.net] has joined #lightning-dev 10:56 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wootrppggosyxjbb] has joined #lightning-dev 10:58 < grafcaps> what's the purpose of the label in c-lightning? 11:00 < lxer> From what I figured out, it is the unique id , and used to delete an invoice. 11:01 < grafcaps> that's the impression I'm getting too 11:03 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 11:19 < jb55> grafcaps: most likely c-lightning will be controlled with higher-level invoicing systems, which would provide their own invoice id for each bolt11 11:19 < jb55> at least that's how I interpreted why it's like that 11:22 < jb55> Q: am I right in saying that the current lightning network isn't really bidirectional? if you open a channel with a node, they can only push back any amount I already previously pushed to them? 11:22 < jb55> trying to understand this directionality of channels 11:28 -!- truk_ [~truk@76-227-238-58.lightspeed.frsctx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lightning-dev 11:28 < grafcaps> that's how it appears to me 11:29 < tla> jb55: that is my understanding as well 11:29 < grafcaps> if I have a channel open and I send some SAT through it, then it appears that I can receive that amount 11:29 -!- Murch [~murch@mobile-166-170-38-30.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 11:32 < tla> jb55: I think ideally when a channel is created, for that channel to be bi-directional at the start both parties provide half the inputs to the channel so each node commits their side of the channel. 11:37 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:38 < nickler> lxer: you can't send a payment without creating an invoice. That can be fixed for example with scriptless scripts; probably something for lightning spec v2. 11:43 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wootrppggosyxjbb] has quit [] 11:44 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfzhuhxsqsrwhdmy] has joined #lightning-dev 11:46 -!- jb55 [~jb55@184.68.162.218] has joined #lightning-dev 11:50 < lxer> nickler, i'm not sure if we're talking about the same. For example, I sell something online, but the customer isnt happy and wants some of his money back; can I figure out where to send it to, based on the previous tx ? 11:53 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-60-135.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lightning-dev 11:53 -!- shesek [~shesek@bzq-84-110-60-135.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:53 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 12:14 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has joined #lightning-dev 12:14 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 12:15 -!- spudowiar [~spudowiar@unaffiliated/saleemrashid] has quit [Client Quit] 12:57 -!- kevsch433 [uid276219@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ihpqqpozhpatfcwo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:00 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 13:01 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:15 < waxwing> nickler, i think you meant "you can't send a payment without *receiving* an invoice"? 13:22 -!- plankers [~plank@c-98-238-141-78.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:25 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 13:25 -!- wumpus [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/wumpus] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 13:27 -!- Murch [~murch@96-82-80-28-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:28 -!- tla [~tla@cpe-72-135-235-246.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28 < nickler> lxer: no, you'd need more than the previous tx 13:28 < nickler> waxwing: yes, sorry for the confusion 13:29 -!- usr [~usr@unaffiliated/usr] has joined #lightning-dev 13:32 -!- grafcaps [6889c2ff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.137.194.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:46 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.206.163.235] has joined #lightning-dev 13:49 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:56 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.206.163.235] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56 -!- mn3monic [~xxwa@unaffiliated/mn3monic] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:56 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.206.163.235] has joined #lightning-dev 14:07 < buZz> any other LN only webshops btw? :P 14:11 < lxer> ? 14:12 < buZz> like https://store.blockstream.com/ 14:12 < grubles> the torguard one? 14:12 < grubles> not sure if it is LN-only though 14:18 -!- truk_ [~truk@76-227-238-58.lightspeed.frsctx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 14:28 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 14:32 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@201.206.163.235] has quit [] 14:34 -!- ponzibanker [~ponzibank@cpe-72-177-82-77.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ponzibanker] 14:35 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:36 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 14:36 -!- arij [uid225068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wmcvxdzgaowgobvx] has joined #lightning-dev 14:45 -!- eck [~eck@fsf/member/eck] has joined #lightning-dev 14:49 -!- jb55 [~jb55@184.68.162.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 15:06 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:09 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:38 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 15:40 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:44 < mlz> buZz, want to buy a Steam voucher? 15:49 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 15:49 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 15:51 -!- blyat [~blyat@cpe-71-71-200-3.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52 < buZz> oh curious :) 15:55 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:c192:d741:61c7:64c7] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:08 -!- vicenteH [~user@35.233.15.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:14 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined #lightning-dev 16:14 -!- grafcaps [325a53e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.90.83.229] has joined #lightning-dev 16:23 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lightning-dev 16:32 < grafcaps> so I've got an lnd node and a c-lightning node. My lnd node has five active channels. Four of those channels have > 10^7 SAT in "My Balance", the other channel has 997 SAT in "My Balance" 16:33 < grafcaps> when I create an invoice on my c-lighning node for less than 997 SAT, I can pay with lnd. The payment goes through a channel with 10^7 SAT in it 16:33 < grafcaps> but when I create an invoice for more than 997 SAT, paying with lnd fails: insufficient capacity in available outgoing links: need 10002020 mSAT, max available is 997000 mSAT 16:34 -!- kevin [02d8349b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.216.52.155] has joined #lightning-dev 16:34 -!- kevin is now known as Guest70212 16:36 < aj> grafcaps: guessing, but does the c-lightning node have >997 sat on the other side of its channels? 16:38 < grafcaps> yeah there's plenty of receiving room on the c-lightning node. I just closed the channel with 997 SAT and now it's giving me UnknownNextPeer 16:38 -!- Guest70212 [02d8349b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.216.52.155] has quit [Client Quit] 16:39 < grafcaps> so I guess that channel was used to determine the route to my c-lightning node, even though I wasn't sending any SAT through it? 16:49 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Use `lncli create` to create wallet, or `lncli unlock` to unlock already created wallet." 20:23 < grafcaps> I tried `create` but got [lncli] rpc error: code = Unknown desc = wallet already exists 20:24 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:34 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 20:37 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:51 -!- whphhg [~whphhg@unaffiliated/whphhg] has joined #lightning-dev 20:51 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:08 -!- tryphe_ is now known as tryphe 21:23 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 21:40 -!- bajohns [bajohns@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bajohns] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09 -!- jb55 [~jb55@70-36-49-138.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:25 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mqidncykihhitkxp] has joined #lightning-dev 22:35 < meshcollider> grafcaps: use `lncli unlock` then :) 22:37 -!- Doombatz [~dummy@209.35.78.83.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined #lightning-dev 22:57 -!- Doombatz [~dummy@209.35.78.83.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [] 23:33 < grafcaps> meshcollider: what's the password? 23:56 < meshcollider> grafcaps: you must have set one 23:57 < meshcollider> grafcaps: if you didn't, check and see if you can see the wallet file and perhaps delete it and start again if there's nothing in it