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(master...dont-send-feechange-at-end-of-shutdown) https://git.io/vN9Xf 01:14 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 01:15 -!- lxer [~lx@ip5f5bd57e.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lightning-dev 01:16 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 01:27 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 01:27 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has left #lightning-dev [] 01:31 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:47 -!- mughat [~textual@x1-6-28-c6-8e-30-bf-4a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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I am very interested as a developer and integrator to various e commerce solution. But I have a question: Every buyer on a flying commerce site used the litghning will have to create a payment channel by using bitcoin (and thus wait for validation in the blockchain) and then start using the lightning channel? 04:33 -!- sandeep [~d1g1t@pdpc/supporter/active/d1g1t] has quit [Quit: sandeep] 04:37 < waxwing> cryptokwiz, not really, the idea would be for each user to open a few channels and leave them open for a long time, they can buy from any other node on the network using those channels (payments are routed over multiple hops) 04:37 < waxwing> you don't have to open channels direct to a merchant that you're paying 04:41 -!- cryptokwiz [56f2eaaa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.242.234.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:43 < AndyS2> they will have to create at least one channel to make lightning payments. if they already have one, chances are that they can reuse it. Maybe the buyer was a seller in the past and they already have a channel opened by someone else because of that. 04:43 < AndyS2> so technically, my first sentence is not entirely correct 04:44 < AndyS2> 'someone' has to create a channel with the person wanting to pay via LN. that someone is probably the buyer. 04:44 -!- xocite [local@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/xocite] has joined #lightning-dev 04:46 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 04:53 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-153-142.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:54 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl10-85-39.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 05:02 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has quit [] 05:04 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:07 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 05:08 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:08 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 05:13 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:18 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 05:36 -!- nothingmuch [~user@213.152.162.84] has joined #lightning-dev 05:41 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 05:46 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:46 -!- xocite [local@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/xocite] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:52 -!- bajohns [bajohns@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bajohns] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:54 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 05:55 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:56 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl10-85-39.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:00 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 06:01 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has quit [Client Quit] 06:01 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 06:02 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has quit [Client Quit] 06:02 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 06:04 -!- jtimon [~quassel@41.31.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 06:05 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has joined #lightning-dev 06:16 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 06:18 -!- jojeyh [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:78db:9b9:7d1a:75de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:20 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 06:25 -!- litch [~litch@rrcs-97-77-70-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 06:36 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 06:40 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-meihvxlillhpkdwn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:41 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:45 -!- litch [~litch@rrcs-97-77-70-130.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:49 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 09:46 < contrapumpkin> what's the worst thing that a motivated person with money to burn could do to a LN? 09:46 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has joined #lightning-dev 09:49 < grubles> ddos a well-connected node? 09:51 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:19 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 10:23 < Emcy> trick people out of their power with promises of cheapness/convenience 10:24 < Emcy> say, how Discord took over by breaking web RTC until it would only connect you through their server clustser and MITM, while putting all of the rest of the effort into UX 10:25 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32 -!- beeteece_ [beeteecee@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-apnwopxdgdrrgwue] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 10:42 -!- litch [~litch@135.84.167.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08 -!- Tennis [~Tennis@unaffiliated/tennis] has joined #lightning-dev 11:08 -!- litch [~litch@135.84.167.43] has joined #lightning-dev 11:10 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lightning-dev 11:13 -!- litch [~litch@135.84.167.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:15 -!- miklolFi [~miklolFi@78-27-126-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 11:24 -!- litch [~litch@135.84.167.43] has joined #lightning-dev 11:29 -!- Tennis [~Tennis@unaffiliated/tennis] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:32 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 11:37 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@110.140.107.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:37 -!- wraithm_ [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has joined #lightning-dev 11:38 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@110.140.52.110] has joined #lightning-dev 11:38 -!- wraithm_ [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has quit [Client Quit] 11:39 -!- wraithm_ [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has joined #lightning-dev 11:39 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39 -!- wraithm_ [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has quit [Client Quit] 11:39 -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has joined #lightning-dev 11:41 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has quit [Client Quit] 11:41 -!- beeteece_ [beeteecee@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-komujtokaplvemuh] has joined #lightning-dev 11:41 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has joined #lightning-dev 11:42 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has quit [Client Quit] 11:42 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has joined #lightning-dev 11:43 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-61-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:45 -!- wraithm_ [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has joined #lightning-dev 11:46 -!- wraithm_ [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has quit [Client Quit] 11:46 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:47 -!- PaulCape_ [~PaulCapes@ip72-209-228-50.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lightning-dev 11:54 -!- wraithm [~wraithm@unaffiliated/wraithm] has joined #lightning-dev 11:57 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@110.140.52.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:58 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@110.140.52.110] has joined #lightning-dev 12:05 -!- kunla [~kunla@81.193.53.189] has joined #lightning-dev 12:06 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@110.140.52.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07 -!- dcousens [~dcousens@110.140.52.110] has joined #lightning-dev 12:09 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:13 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:18 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 12:31 -!- AmikoPay_CJP [~AmikoPay_@a83-163-77-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:41 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 12:42 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Client Quit] 12:47 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 12:50 < ianthius> sot of on topic: i just realized i never got an email about my blockstream store purchase but did see an order completion page after sending payment. Did anyone else not get an order confrimation? I assume my stickers and t-shirts will arrive at some point regardless... :) 12:51 < ianthius> correction: did anyone else not get an email confrimation of thier purchase? 12:56 -!- miklolFi [~miklolFi@78-27-126-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56 -!- miklolFi [~miklolFi@78-27-126-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 12:57 -!- kunla [~kunla@81.193.53.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has joined #lightning-dev 13:09 < wumpus> ianthius: I did get en email confirmation 13:10 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10 -!- keymone [~keymone@ip1f13761c.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:11 < ianthius> wumpus: hmm... okay. can you tell me one string from it or what email it was sent from? 13:11 < wumpus> ianthius: I can't find it, might be wrong, I can only find the send confirmation now 13:12 < ianthius> wumpus: what's the send confirmation 13:12 < wumpus> that they've been dispatched by mail 13:12 -!- cloaks [~noty@unaffiliated/cloaks] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:12 < ianthius> oh, i see. okay, maybe they haven't sent mine yet and there was never an order conf... 13:12 < wumpus> which is three days ago; so no, I don't think I got a mail when ordering 13:13 < ianthius> thx 13:15 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl10-85-39.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 13:15 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 13:15 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lightning-dev 13:18 -!- cloaks [~noty@unaffiliated/cloaks] has joined #lightning-dev 13:20 -!- litch [~litch@135.84.167.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24 -!- litch [~litch@135.84.167.43] has joined #lightning-dev 13:25 -!- litch_ [~litch@135.84.167.43] has joined #lightning-dev 13:25 -!- litch [~litch@135.84.167.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36 -!- litch [~litch@135.84.167.43] has joined #lightning-dev 13:37 -!- miklolFi [~miklolFi@78-27-126-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38 -!- miklolFi [~miklolFi@78-27-126-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 13:38 -!- miklolFi [~miklolFi@78-27-126-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39 -!- litch_ [~litch@135.84.167.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:41 -!- litch [~litch@135.84.167.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:41 -!- miklolFi [~miklolFi@78-27-126-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lightning-dev 13:42 -!- litepony [565878fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.88.120.250] has joined #lightning-dev 13:46 -!- cloaks [~noty@unaffiliated/cloaks] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47 -!- cloaks [~noty@unaffiliated/cloaks] has joined #lightning-dev 13:48 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 13:48 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgxfwtyzquluxewb] has joined #lightning-dev 13:53 -!- jb55 [~jb55@d108-172-210-7.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55 -!- cloaks [~noty@unaffiliated/cloaks] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:57 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 14:02 -!- jb55 [~jb55@184.68.162.218] has joined #lightning-dev 14:08 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 14:08 -!- jb55 [~jb55@184.68.162.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:12 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:15 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 14:20 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22 -!- jb55 [~jb55@184.68.162.218] has joined #lightning-dev 14:23 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 14:27 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:30 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 14:32 -!- ffpp [5c3b8acf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.59.138.207] has joined #lightning-dev 14:36 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 14:40 -!- cloaks [~noty@unaffiliated/cloaks] has joined #lightning-dev 14:41 -!- jb55 [~jb55@184.68.162.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:42 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 14:47 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:55 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 14:59 -!- litch [~litch@cpe-72-182-55-95.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:00 -!- litepony [565878fa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.88.120.250] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:04 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [chris@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/chrisstewart5/x-62865615] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:25 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:25 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 15:28 -!- mughat [~textual@x1-6-28-c6-8e-30-bf-4a.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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(Still listening..) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3f4yYVCxpk&feature=youtu.be 18:23 -!- a_meteorite [~a_meteori@unaffiliated/ameteorite/x-000000001] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Enjoyed it but have to play it at 0.75 speed. lol Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3f4yYVCxpk 21:55 < ianthius> do we have anyone working on an algorthim to look at the list of available nodes and choose new channels to open, e.g. i have 2 million satoshis and i want to put them in the network, choose where to put them for me.. 21:57 <+roasbeef> ianthius: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/issues/677 21:57 <+roasbeef> d3vt4r: yeh was posted earlier in scrollback 21:58 < d3vt4r> @rosabeef cool. I'm logged in via web so can't see earlier posts 21:58 <+roasbeef> the chan is logged also 21:59 <+roasbeef> peep the topic 22:01 < ianthius> roasbeef: thanks for the link. can't wait to dig in. auto-pilot is a great feature, but will be hard to nail i am sure :) 22:03 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05 <+roasbeef> tons of possible knobs 22:05 <+roasbeef> next versin of the package will add in real-time signals from the active links 22:05 <+roasbeef> massive research rea 22:08 < d3vt4r> @rosabeef Thanks buddy. I'm going to post your talk on my LinkedIn to spread the word 22:09 < d3vt4r> @rosabeef can I get a copy of your slides? 22:09 < mlz> d3vt4r, https://twitter.com/roasbeef/status/958550493944463360 22:10 < d3vt4r> @miz Sweet. Thanks :-) 22:21 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:21 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 22:21 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 22:27 -!- keymone [~keymone@ip1f13761c.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #lightning-dev 22:29 -!- womba [adefe440@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.239.228.64] has joined #lightning-dev 22:33 < d3vt4r> @rosabeef Done. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hardening-bitcoin-lightning-network-devtar-singh 22:35 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 22:48 < ianthius> can an invoice be paid multiple times? I know that you can create an invoice with no amount for donations, it wouldn't be very useful if it couldn't be reused... 22:51 < mlz> it can only be paid one time in LND and Eclair, not sure about c-lightning 22:52 <+roasbeef> ianthius: ideally it's only ever used once 22:58 < ianthius> roasbeef: okay. is it correct to assume that invoices require a priv key? e.g. another peer cannot generate an invoice on behalf of another node.. 23:01 <+roasbeef> invoices atm are signed 23:01 <+roasbeef> possible in the future there's a way to delegate which key can sign invoices for a node 23:02 < ianthius> got it. So we are currently limited to the need to request each payment to be made. There is no way to just send money to someone else if they haven't explicitly requested it? 23:03 <+roasbeef> there's a way to do that, just it isn't in the current spec 23:04 -!- nothingmuch [~user@213.152.161.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:06 -!- AndBobsYourUncle [~AndBobsYo@cpe-23-240-21-154.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 23:06 < ianthius> no need to explain it to me, but does the concept have a name specifically in lightning? 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