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[~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has joined #lightning-dev 07:02 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@cpe-107-9-138-59.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:02 -!- mlz [~IRCIdent@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #lightning-dev 07:06 -!- squall_ [4addb539@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.221.181.57] has joined #lightning-dev 07:07 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@cpe-107-9-138-59.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lightning-dev 07:08 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 07:13 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@cpe-107-9-138-59.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:21 < Mark__> Could someone help me understand fee rate. The code has a comment saying "FeeRate is the fee rate that will be charged per millionth of a satoshi", but the most common fee rate seems to be 10 msat on mainnet. But that doesn't make sense, paying 10 msat per 0.001 msat ??? 07:30 <+roasbeef> Mark__: does this make more sense? https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/rpcserver.go#L3031 07:33 <+roasbeef> there's a base fee, and then a scale that scales, used a fixed base point 07:34 < Mark__> There isn't some page giving examples? Not sure I get it 07:36 <+roasbeef> what about this? https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/rpcserver.go#L3054 07:36 <+roasbeef> or this https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/rpcserver.go#L3081 07:36 <+roasbeef> think about it as a fixed based computation 07:41 < Mark__> english is not my native language but isn't the following comment missing a verb somewhere "The fee rate field in the database the amount of mSAT charged per 1mil mSAT sent" 07:41 -!- kraftZero [aud311@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/aud311] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:46 < Mark__> If I pay two different invoices on LN, one for one bitcoin, the other for two bitcoin and both are just one hop and that node has a base fee of 1000 msat and fee rate 10 msat, how much fees will I then pay? 07:47 <+roasbeef> base + (amt * (rate/1000000)) 07:47 <+roasbeef> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/routing/pathfind.go#L74 07:48 <+roasbeef> it's fixed base, so: base_rate/1000000 07:49 < Mark__> Thanks, now I think I got it 07:53 < Mark__> as I said english is not my native language, so I thought 'millionth of a satoshi' meant 0.001 msat and not 1000000 satoshis 08:07 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:07 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 08:08 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 08:09 -!- tombusby [~tombusby@gateway/tor-sasl/tombusby] has joined #lightning-dev 08:09 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #lightning-dev 08:09 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #lightning-dev 08:12 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 08:12 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 08:15 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@92-111-70-106.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:15 -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@158.106.219.26] has joined #lightning-dev 08:38 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39 -!- droark [~droark@c-24-22-123-27.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ZZZzzz…] 08:40 -!- dx25 [~dx25@174-19-89-235.omah.qwest.net] has joined #lightning-dev 08:52 < lxer> msat is confusing imho. I would propose to only use satoshis in any UI, and when msat is needed write is a for example 0000000.001 , where .001 means the msat units 08:54 < mlz> Mark__, i think "FeeRate is the fee rate that will be charged per millionth of a satoshi" means 1/1000000=0.000001 which is the lowest possible fee rate that LND is using 08:56 < lxer> ..wait, msat is not 'milisatoshi' , but millionth of a satoshi? 08:56 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has joined #lightning-dev 08:57 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 08:59 < mlz> that would be mega-msat wouldn't it? 08:59 < mlz> 1000 msat == 1 sat 09:00 < lxer> pfew... ok. 09:15 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@176.158.157.202] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 09:18 -!- vtnerd [~Lee@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:20 -!- vtnerd [~Lee@173-23-103-30.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lightning-dev 09:29 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@c-73-181-185-197.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 09:29 -!- bryan_w [~is@2600:2108:9:8a90:5a69:d114:68b8:dae2] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:31 -!- squall_ [4addb539@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.221.181.57] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:35 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #lightning-dev 09:36 -!- llou [~textual@cm-83-97-182-195.telecable.es] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 10:43 -!- llou [~textual@cm-83-97-182-195.telecable.es] has joined #lightning-dev 10:46 < jojeyh> mlz, in regards to msatoshi being confusing i remember having this exact conversation 10:47 < mlz> jojeyh, yep, in the other channel :) 10:47 < jojeyh> haha 10:47 < jojeyh> still think it's a good idea to have msat 10:48 < jojeyh> the idea of subsatoshi transactions is just too tittilating 10:49 -!- llou [~textual@cm-83-97-182-195.telecable.es] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(master...bolt-4-sphinx) https://git.io/vNx5L 11:16 < lxer> it is fine to use it internally, but from a UX point of view it is just not right; too hard to read, and too easy to make mistakes. 11:16 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19 -!- melvster [~melvin@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lightning-dev 11:20 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- [lightning-rfc] rustyrussell pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vA78Q 11:20 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/master 7da77f0 pm47: define initial value for data-loss fields... 11:20 -lightningrfc:#lightning-dev- lightning-rfc/master 2cb41db pm47: consistency: `option-data-loss-protect`->`option_data_loss_protect` 11:34 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-176-246-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:43 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lightning-dev 11:48 -!- kunla [~kunla@bl13-153-142.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lightning-dev 11:49 -!- booyah_ [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lightning-dev 11:50 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #lightning-dev 11:59 -!- booyah_ [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:07 -!- llou [~textual@cm-83-97-182-195.telecable.es] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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-!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lightning-dev 22:00 < jawiv> i'm trying to run a lightning node on mainnet 22:00 < jawiv> getting the following error message: 22:01 < jawiv> Wallet blockchain hash does not match network blockchain hash 22:01 < jawiv> running bitcoin core 0.16.0 22:01 < jawiv> can't find any documentation on this error anywhere other than two unanswered reddit posts 22:04 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 22:04 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@c-73-248-248-9.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:04 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #lightning-dev 22:19 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:20 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #lightning-dev 22:28 -!- 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