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ZZZzzz…] 04:50 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 04:53 -!- bsm1175321 is now known as bsm117532 05:02 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:08 -!- MaxSan1 [~user@105.185.226.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:11 < bsm117532> A braid (DAG) combined with mining into @lightning payment channels would solve the selfish mining problem, the orphan problem, and some of the unfortunate problems of @p2pool (like huge coinbases competing with the fees you could earn). New channel #braidpool for discussing this. 05:11 < bsm117532> I've got the DAG pieces figured out, I could use some help with the payment channel side of the idea. 05:26 -!- MaxSan [~user@105.185.226.97] has joined #lightning-dev 05:29 -!- dafunkiz_ [~dafunkizd@172.92.143.143] has joined #lightning-dev 05:32 -!- arij [uid225068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-edlqrwqbzujwqnpn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:33 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has joined #lightning-dev 05:55 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 05:56 -!- CubicEar_ [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has quit [] 06:01 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 06:01 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:11 -!- retrop99 [~retrop99@cpc98334-croy25-2-0-cust202.19-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 06:12 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylshjaryihoibwks] has joined #lightning-dev 06:14 -!- retrop99 [~retrop99@cpc98334-croy25-2-0-cust202.19-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #lightning-dev 06:40 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@185.94.189.190] has joined #lightning-dev 06:55 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #lightning-dev 07:17 -!- jtimon [~quassel@142.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 07:28 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 07:53 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 08:00 -!- JackH [~laptop@aoe62.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 08:05 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:15 -!- jojeyh [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:85b5:455:4f7e:e82f] has joined #lightning-dev 08:15 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 08:15 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 08:17 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [Client Quit] 08:21 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 08:27 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 08:30 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:36 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 08:38 -!- tryphe_000 [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 08:39 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:40 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 08:41 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:41 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 08:41 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylshjaryihoibwks] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:43 -!- tryphe_000 [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:00 -!- MaxSan [~user@105.185.226.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:28 -!- retrop99 [~retrop99@cpc98334-croy25-2-0-cust202.19-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:38 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has joined #lightning-dev 10:13 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 10:20 -!- AndBobsYourUncle [AndBobsYou@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/andbobsyouruncle] has joined #lightning-dev 10:23 -!- dafunkiz_ [~dafunkizd@172.92.143.143] has quit [Quit: that's all folks] 10:49 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-175-243-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:56 -!- anome [~anome@unaffiliated/anome] has quit [] 11:00 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@093-092-177-246-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has joined #lightning-dev 11:21 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC461D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lightning-dev 11:21 -!- tiagotrs [~user@p5DC461D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 11:21 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has joined #lightning-dev 11:26 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #lightning-dev 11:49 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@185.94.189.190] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 12:37 -!- arij [uid225068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-muokxnxoxlkflbdj] has joined #lightning-dev 12:42 -!- anstaendig [~anstaendi@196.196.200.21] has joined #lightning-dev 12:49 -!- anstaendig [~anstaendi@196.196.200.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:50 < Guest17015> hi. https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning states "In order to start lightningd you will need to have a local bitcoind node running in either testnet or regtest mode". I assume that mainnet is fine too, and local does not actually have to be local? 13:17 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #lightning-dev 13:19 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 14:06 -!- wxss [~user@185.145.38.234] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:07 -!- robzon [~robzon@178235204182.warszawa.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:22 -!- robzon [~robzon@178235204182.warszawa.vectranet.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 14:25 -!- robzon [~robzon@178235204182.warszawa.vectranet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25 < roasbeef> bsm117532: you ever peep belcher's stab at this problem? 14:25 < bsm117532> Yes, he and I have been chatting 14:26 < roasbeef> well not the braid aspects, but p2pool channels 14:26 < roasbeef> nice 14:26 < bsm117532> I'm re-re-reviewing his bitcointalk posts... 14:26 < mlz> belcher seems very optimistic at making p2pool to work 14:27 -!- robzon [~robzon@178235204182.warszawa.vectranet.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 14:27 < mlz> oh belcher_ is in this channel too :D 14:28 < roasbeef> bsm117532: so what's your take on the pessimitic response from existing miners arguing channels won't help result p2pool true issues 14:28 < bsm117532> From what I understand, p2pool heavily punishes latency, and has a high orphan rate. A braid would fix these things. Payment channels would fix the rest. 14:28 < bsm117532> ^^^ is that an answer to your question roasbeef? 14:40 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@c-24-61-245-53.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@c-24-61-245-53.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 14:57 -!- robzon [~robzon@178235204182.warszawa.vectranet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57 -!- robzon [~robzon@178235204182.warszawa.vectranet.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 14:58 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@c-24-61-245-53.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59 -!- meshcollider [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuryansibkustizi] has joined #lightning-dev 15:10 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@c-24-61-245-53.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 15:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 15:22 -!- tiagotrs [~user@unaffiliated/tiagotrs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:28 -!- AndBobsYourUncle [AndBobsYou@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/andbobsyouruncle] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 15:33 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has joined #lightning-dev 15:45 -!- BashCo_ [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:53 -!- BashCo [~BashCo@unaffiliated/bashco] has joined #lightning-dev 16:04 -!- Murch [~murch@c-73-223-113-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lightning-dev 16:55 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:04 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #lightning-dev 17:17 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23 -!- DrFeelGood [~DrFeelGoo@unaffiliated/olufunmilayo] has joined #lightning-dev 17:53 -!- CubicEarths [~cubiceart@xdsl-188-155-63-9.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 18:00 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 18:02 -!- tryphe_000 [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 18:03 -!- jojeyh [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:85b5:455:4f7e:e82f] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:06 -!- tryphe_ [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:07 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 18:11 -!- tryphe_000 [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:19 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@aabx246.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 18:22 -!- JackH [~laptop@aoe62.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:53 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:53 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 19:21 -!- riclas [riclas@148.63.37.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:34 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 19:35 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:37 -!- MaxSan [~user@91.207.102.163] has joined #lightning-dev 20:43 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48 -!- tryphe [~tryphe@unaffiliated/tryphe] has joined #lightning-dev 21:49 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:51 -!- intcat [~zshlyk@gateway/tor-sasl/intcat] has joined #lightning-dev 22:10 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24 -!- jojeyh [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:85b5:455:4f7e:e82f] has joined #lightning-dev 22:32 -!- Murch [~murch@c-73-223-113-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Snoozing.] 23:46 -!- JackH_ [~laptop@aabx246.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]